NJ Recalls

[OPECJet]

actually after reading the other post about how this CEO guy is trying to destroy the company, I am much more in sympathy with you guys. I am a kinda a don't rock the boat guy, but after seeing what he is doing I would be p!ssed if I was a NJ guy because would worried about him destroying my livelihood. I worry about the guys I worked with here at JUS finding themselves on the street again.

But when I first saw the posts bitching about having to pay medical co-pays like the rest of the world well it sounded a little like a bunch of spoiled brats.

BTW Next prediction coming up, the lack of a college degree will no longer be a show stopper at the majors. Just watch.[/QUOTE]

Already happened.

 

[johnsonrod]

actually after reading the other post about how this CEO guy is trying to destroy the company, I am much more in sympathy with you guys. I am a kinda a don't rock the boat guy, but after seeing what he is doing I would be p!ssed if I was a NJ guy because would worried about him destroying my livelihood. I worry about the guys I worked with here at JUS finding themselves on the street again.

But when I first saw the posts bitching about having to pay medical co-pays like the rest of the world well it sounded a little like a bunch of spoiled brats.

BTW Next prediction coming up, the lack of a college degree will no longer be a show stopper at the majors. Just watch.[/QUOTE]

Already happened.

Your college GPA is a factor at Delta. I am told if you have a PhD or Masters, Delta will take you first (all other factors equal).

 

[gunfyter]

If I had a PhD I wouldn't be flying people around and tossing their bags...

No. You toss my bag.

Just sayin'

 

[G4dude]

Nice, YIP has some supporters.

Curious what the backgrounds of these supporters are?

Edit: I see "checks" has trouble writing complete sentences. Never mind, I've discovered my answer.

Keep up the good work YIP. At the very least you provide good entertainment.

Yip is my hero. So there.

 

[pilotyip]

Your college GPA is a factor at Delta. I am told if you have a PhD or Masters, Delta will take you first (all other factors equal).

for now, but that will change as the pool of experience dries up. In the past people got hired by DAL without a college degree

 

[outerfix]

Yip, i'm not sure you have thought out the end game. Even if you convince every pilot on every message board of your convictions regarding airline hiring without a degree, it still won't change the hiring profile at the airlines. If the airlines do start hiring high school grads, how are you going to get anyone to work for you? You are going to be competing with Kalitta for pilots who are DUI recipients and wife beaters.

 

[BentOver]

Wait a second.... A conversation with YIP and a college degree.


There's something you don't see everyday


I'm forever astounded by the wide range of topics YIP is able to add insightful knowledge to.

 

[pilotyip]

Yip, i'm not sure you have thought out the end game. Even if you convince every pilot on every message board of your convictions regarding airline hiring without a degree, it still won't change the hiring profile at the airlines.

I have nothing to do with the hiring profile, it is a supply and demand thing. I am only an observer of the times. If you have noticed the profile is changing already. The majors have now skimmed all of the astronaut candidates off the top of their piles, they are now looking at pilot below that level to fill seats, Here is a guy just got hired at a legacy 1xCheckride failure (initial CFI oral 17 years ago) 1xAccident (recreational flying 8 years ago). I am betting a year ago he would not have gotten by square one. So only time will tell if the lack of a college degree, which has nothing to do with flying an airplane, will still be a shop stopper at DAL.

If the airlines do start hiring high school grads, how are you going to get anyone to work for you? You are going to be competing with Kalitta for pilots who are DUI recipients and wife beaters.

Yea the boss said go after those kinda guys because they will be career employees, but the are not qualified for CANPASS so they cannot work here. So we continue to go after the non-career pilots to give them a great start on their careers. Like the 26 who have left for NJ over the years.

 

[acaTerry]

Getting back to the subject....you returnees are making us proud (and you know what I am talking about)....maybe certain members of our line pilots could learn a lesson from you:smash:.
Word in recurrent this week is that all of you should have your letters 1st quarter of 2015.

 

[johnsonrod]

Is it true that returning furloughees are given SIC types?

 

[Pervis]

Is it true that returning furloughees are given SIC types?

There is no such thing as an SIC type. They are given a full blown type rating in whatever aircraft they return to, just as new hires will.

 

[imacdog]

Actually there is such thing as an SIC type rating.

 

[T-1GUY]

SIC type needed to fly international.

 

[Pervis]

I was unaware of the SIC type. However, all pilots at NJA receive a full type.

 

[acaTerry]

Word "today" is that by the end of January that anyone not back to work is bypassing their letter. Glad to have all of you back.

 

[surveypilot]

Can someone tell me if the payscales on APC are correct for NetJets? If not, can you provide the correct numbers?

 

[JustPlaneTruth]

Can someone tell me if the payscales on APC are correct for NetJets? If not, can you provide the correct numbers?

They look correct from the 2007 CBA base pay tables.

 

[surveypilot]

They look correct from the 2007 CBA base pay tables.

Thank you.

 

[OPECJet]

Can someone tell me if the payscales on APC are correct for NetJets? If not, can you provide the correct numbers?

Beware that NJA may not be a place you want to be a probationary pilot at the moment.

 

[gunfyter]

Could always take the type rating and run ....

 

[gutshotdraw]

Especially when you get that new hire Falcon 2000EZ or Global FO assignment at initial....

 

[T-1GUY]

They look correct from the 2007 CBA base pay tables.

Yep, those rates are approaching almost a decade old. I can't believe why some pilots want COLA in the next contract. Silly rabbits

 

[DO-82 driver]

Beware that NJA may not be a place you want to be a probationary pilot at the moment.

And why would that be...... as an F/O what responsibility do you really have that won't have you survive your first year? We all know who they are gunning for and its not the newbies.

 

[acaTerry]

And why would that be...... as an F/O what responsibility do you really have that won't have you survive your first year? We all know who they are gunning for and its not the newbies.

I gather that either (and this is not an attack on you):

A) You don't work for us and have no clue what we do, or
B) You do work for us and have no idea what you SHOULD be doing and are overlooking things.

 

[King Air Evac]

Beware that NJA may not be a place you want to be a probationary pilot at the moment.

What specifically are you referring to? And yes, I do know quite a bit about the company what you do and what is going on, which is why I'm interested in the specifics of what you are referring to.

 

[gunfyter]

I am going to guess it means no union protection on probation... while a war is going on

 

[OPECJet]

Its not that there's "no" union protection, but you are certainly at more risk than someone who is not on probation.

 

[acaTerry]

This is not like the 121 carriers. The SIC will hang for things that in the 121 world are not his responsibility. Many, many landmines to step on, many of them not even related to flying.
Its not a place for people who do not like to work hard or think certain jobs are beneath them. We sweat like dogs, get our hands dirty and our muscles torn up. And if you can't operate in that environment, or can't handle it where your destination changes hourly, or get legs added when you think you are done for the day.....this aint for you. Barring any changes to our contract, we have some good things here, but it is not for the 121-minded.

 

[johnsonrod]

This is not like the 121 carriers. The SIC will hang for things that in the 121 world are not his responsibility. Many, many landmines to step on, many of them not even related to flying.
Its not a place for people who do not like to work hard or think certain jobs are beneath them. We sweat like dogs, get our hands dirty and our muscles torn up. And if you can't operate in that environment, or can't handle it where your destination changes hourly, or get legs added when you think you are done for the day.....this aint for you. Barring any changes to our contract, we have some good things here, but it is not for the 121-minded.

Is life a "bit" easier when you are an FO on the Gulfstream fleet?

 

[OPECJet]

This is not like the 121 carriers. The SIC will hang for things that in the 121 world are not his responsibility. Many, many landmines to step on, many of them not even related to flying.
Its not a place for people who do not like to work hard or think certain jobs are beneath them. We sweat like dogs, get our hands dirty and our muscles torn up. And if you can't operate in that environment, or can't handle it where your destination changes hourly, or get legs added when you think you are done for the day.....this aint for you. Barring any changes to our contract, we have some good things here, but it is not for the 121-minded.

This is a good post and brings up a couple of things I hadn't thought of. You most certainly are on the hook for things at NJA you aren't responsible for at a 121 carrier. The cabin being a big thing. Owner face time is another, and that is a HUGE one. I personally had two owners ticked at me for simply doing my job. One called the company prompting a call from my CP. Although I was doing the right thing, with which the chief agreed, I have little doubt I'd be trying to figure out how to feed my family if this happened today.

You should think twice before going to ANY company in negotiations or one that's hiring for attrition only.