AirTran pilots will own the SW upgrades

[PCL_128]

Absolutely incorrect. The only way that relative knows no years is if you merge two groups that are exactly identical in age and that is of course absolutely impossible.

If 1000 pilots are placed in front of me on a list and they average 10 years younger than the pilots that were there before, please tell me what that does each and every year they don't retire at the same rate that the others would have.

I'm really tired of arguing about the SLI, so I hesitate to even respond, but there was something proposed by our side to address that concern. It's called a dynamic seniority list. It ensures that you always hold on to your own carrier's attrition, while not destroying any bidding power on the front end. Your NC refused to even listen to the proposal.

 

[Ty Webb]

You mean $hithawt dudes like this one?


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=2483927&postcount=11

Don't pick at it-You'll just make it worse!

No, I don't. He was a VJ guy.

Thanks for playing though.

:laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

Air Tran Pilots

lucky as dog sh#t

that's all for now

What do you know about it, Ron?

What do you care?

 

[General Lee]

THANK YOU HOWARD

This is what every air tran pilot who refuses to understand what junior FO's at SWA lost in this deal will not see. (Key word: will- they're capable- they just won't.)
Not even a signing bonus or raise to take the sting out.

Welcome to mergers Wave. You are not immune. Don't gimme the "acquisition" verbage either. The huge issue you and Howie conveniently forget is that your boss had a "process agreement" stating that if there was no agreement to an SLI between unions, then it would go to arbitration? Is that not right? In arbitration, there is NO WAY not one AT guy would not move over to the SWA side in the left seat of planes it was bringing to the party (737-700s and even 738s with options). Total BS, and you guys try to forget it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[j41driver]

Why do you all continue to do this to yourselves? I don't get it....

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

I avoid them...ha ha

I didn't know WN had F/O avoidance bids. Can I put all WN captains on my avoidance bid and only fly with FAT captains? In the meantime, I'll avoid as many as possible myself, have for years, even before the merger announcement.

 

[slaquer5]

I didn't know WN had F/O avoidance bids. Can I put all WN captains on my avoidance bid and only fly with FAT captains? In the meantime, I'll avoid as many as possible myself, have for years, even before the merger announcement.

Only 3 brother Only. 3.

 

[737tanker]

Luv2BFlyin
Just remember with the avoidance bid you drop down to your next choice on your monthly bid. So currently you if your top 3 picks have Capt that are on your avoidance bid you get your 4th choice. If you want to be able to avoid say 200 Capt you will also be getting your 201st choice.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Just wondering how wacky jack does it. I can do my job safely, no matter whom I might be paired with. Some are just much easier to get along with than others. It won't be long before the number one captain on my avoidance bid will be one i can't avoid .

 

[SWA Bubba]

Welcome to mergers Wave. You are not immune. Don't gimme the "acquisition" verbage either. The huge issue you and Howie conveniently forget is that your boss had a "process agreement" stating that if there was no agreement to an SLI between unions, then it would go to arbitration? Is that not right? In arbitration, there is NO WAY not one AT guy would not move over to the SWA side in the left seat of planes it was bringing to the party (737-700s and even 738s with options). Total BS, and you guys try to forget it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Well, General, since it's been proven time and again that you don't really know jack squat about our Process Agreement, you probably ought not mouth off pretending like you know what you're talking about. You know?

Bubba

 

[PropPiedmont]

Luv2BFlyin
Just remember with the avoidance bid you drop down to your next choice on your monthly bid. So currently you if your top 3 picks have Capt that are on your avoidance bid you get your 4th choice. If you want to be able to avoid say 200 Capt you will also be getting your 201st choice.

It'd still be possible to get your #1 choice.

 

[HowardBorden]

The huge issue you and Howie conveniently forget is that your boss had a "process agreement" stating that if there was no agreement to an SLI between unions, then it would go to arbitration? Is that not right?

Perhaps you missed it, but there was an agreement between unions. It passed on both sides with an overwhelming majority.

 

[General Lee]

Perhaps you missed it, but there was an agreement between unions. It passed on both sides with an overwhelming majority.

Uhhhhh, with no "outside" influence? Yeah, you obviously missed that part Howie. At least you and the other Cornies on here are consistant. Pure comedy.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[kwick]

Perhaps you missed it, but there was an agreement between unions. It passed on both sides with an overwhelming majority.[/QUO



Delusional!

Go rob another 7-Eleven, and tell the judge they just handed their
money to you voluntarily.

The gun in your hand had absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[rajflyboy]

Better to be lucky than good

 

[madjack]

Well when we buy HAL, we can do a "DOH+ with fences and seat protections" type SLI...the egalitarian FATs will surely support that...what comedy you say...what hypocrasy is more apt...SWA pilots gained seniority at the expense of AAI. The CEO wanted it that way and he was the one that BOUGHT AAI...If AAI had BOUGHT SWA, hypothetical of course and the CEO of AAI stepped in to salvage something positive for his original employees, and he had the hammer to do so, the AAI pilots surely would have heckled him back to the corner office and demanded a DOH/Rel Seniority integration voluntarily...GMAFB

 

[kwick]

Well when we buy HAL, we can do a "DOH+ with fences and seat protections" type SLI...the egalitarian FATs will surely support that...what comedy you say...what hypocrasy is more apt...SWA pilots gained seniority at the expense of AAI. The CEO wanted it that way and he was the one that BOUGHT AAI...If AAI had BOUGHT SWA, hypothetical of course and the CEO of AAI stepped in to salvage something positive for his original employees, and he had the hammer to do so, the AAI pilots surely would have heckled him back to the corner office and demanded a DOH/Rel Seniority integration voluntarily...GMAFB

Maybe not. But the truth is that going forward, they have to live with the
consequences.

When a good number of your employees believe that you are unethical and
lack character, then you have a problem.

 

[redflyer65]

I'm still looking for my 40% payraise.

 

[freightdogfred]

I'm still looking for my 40% payraise.

You're not. SWA's pay rates are/were the top of the narrowbody heap. That is a fact. There is no pay raise for you, you're at the top of the scale right now, unless you merge with the Sultan of Brunei. What you do get is a larger company, with more routes, more planes, more bases and presumably more revenue which makes your company more stable and provides you with more job security. GK published this in his mid-year update when the merger was announced, which you obviously didn't read. So quit harping on it, you're not going to get a pay raise no matter who the next merger is with.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Damn Phreddy

You're not. SWA's pay rates are/were the top of the narrowbody heap. That is a fact. There is no pay raise for you, you're at the top of the scale right now, unless you merge with the Sultan of Brunei. What you do get is a larger company, with more routes, more planes, more bases and presumably more revenue which makes your company more stable and provides you with more job security. GK published this in his mid-year update when the merger was announced, which you obviously didn't read. So quit harping on it, you're not going to get a pay raise no matter who the next merger is with.

Gulping the kool aid already!

You'll fit right in withe rest of the kernals!