AirTran pilots will own the SW upgrades

[madjack]

13 years, what's your point, when do I make the cut in your eyes....

 

[Dan Roman]

Tom W on our NC is pushing a B fund...mgmt needs to realize the pilots group is not like any other, the "me too" in re to i401k match and retirement benefits has kept SWA pilots behind in the industry.,,,that will make it harder for SWA to recruit quality pilots....

No No...you guys have " the best 401k!" Just ask your management.

 

[waveflyer]

Dear God, what a frickin' mess Gary created.

What you SWAPA guys may not realize, since it seems that each side of the partition gets fed different information, is that these upgrades early next year for AirTran pilots mean that a bunch of AirTran 717 captains are going to be getting what is being called "captain continuation pay" (essentially pay protection) while more senior AirTran 737 captains are not going to be getting that pay protection. This is being done because SWAPA insisted on that interpretation. As a result, there is a big chunk of AirTran 737 captains already preparing their DFR lawsuit. So instead of having the unity that Howard and the guy with the Vader mask for an avatar were begging for earlier in this thread, you're instead going to have pilots fighting pilots in the middle of Section 6 talks.

SWAPA needs to get their act together in a hurry and find out a way to unify the group. And insisting upon bogus interpretations that ignore seniority and screw over FAT pilots that they already represent is not the way to do it.

Your opinion would be a lot more valid if you weren't quitting.

Until then you're just the guy every union volunteer has always hated- the guy doing nothing, bit throwing the biggest bombs at those actually doing work

I KNOW you've hated that for most of your unioned life.

 

[PCL_128]

Your opinion would be a lot more valid if you weren't quitting.

Actually, that's what makes my opinion more valid. I have no vested interest, so I'm merely an outside observer calling it like I see it. And you know I'm right. SWAPA is managing this horribly, and they'll suffer the consequences of it for a long time.

 

[twepilot]

Actually, that's what makes my opinion more valid. I have no vested interest, so I'm merely an outside observer calling it like I see it. And you know I'm right. SWAPA is managing this horribly, and they'll suffer the consequences of it for a long time.

This sounds like a job for SUPER-ALPA, ta-da-da-da...

RV

 

[PCL_128]

Nah, ALPA can't fix that problem. ALPA just provides resources and adult supervision. If the local people in leadership positions aren't willing to do the right thing, then ALPA can't help (reference the mess at ASA/XJT). This is a local issue. The local leaders need to figure out that they represent 1,750 former AirTran pilots (or will in another month or so, anyway). Treating them like second class citizens will only lead to a lack of unity and continual in-fighting. And this is going beyond second class citizen status. This is downright predatory behavior.

 

[SWA Bubba]

No No...you guys have " the best 401k!" Just ask your management.

Speaking of tossing hand grenades...

The "best 401-k" comment was an industry assessment of the quality of SWAPA's 401-k and what you can do with the money in your account, and not how much you get to put in it. Southwest pilots have their own 401-k, while the rest of the company's employees utilize a 401k that the company set up.

While SWAPA's 401-k plan has been rated one of the best in the country (according to Morningside, not our management), one could always use higher overall retirement contributions. That's one of the main goals for improvement in our section 6 right now.

But you knew that, didn't you Dan?... :blush:

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

Predatory?

 

[scoreboardII]

Predatory? Last I checked SWAPA would have been happy if the hole thing never happened. Once it did, all they did is exactly what ALPA did, protect their own. Now that we will be one, get on board, or go home. Any other opinion is just being naive.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm not talking about the SLI. That's old news. Anyone still obsessing over that needs help. I'm talking about things like the PHX rep's column a few months ago saying that SWAPA shouldn't care about the lance captain program because only AirTran pilots will benefit from it now. And he says this long after SWAPA has started representing the pilots who will benefit from it! You do realize that if SWAPA does anything now to change the provisions of the lance captain program that SWAPA is going to be sued, and SWAPA will probably lose, right?

Stop thinking of the pilot group as original SWA and former AirTran. Not only is it a problem with building unity, it's also allowing things like the above to happen which will lead to litigation and continued in-fighting. It's just plain stupid!