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redflyer65 said:
I never believed that.

But I'm already lobbying for the RSW pilots to get a 40% pay increase with the next SLI.
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Yeah, along with an equity stake akin to the DL/NWA deal. Talk about us getting hosed even more! Even the trannies got SWA hard earned equity for "being bought!

:puke:
 
iflyhigh72 said:
Just got this info from the school house this week. I don't know if this has been posted yet but we were told that the AirTran 717 Capt's will have to undergo 6 weeks of training and be held to the same standard as the new hires off the street for type rating purposes. They'll get typed and then hit the line for 25 hours of IOE. Training was asking for 100 hrs but that was rejected. Once successfully completed they will go back for the full 3 week captain upgrade course. That's 2+ months in Dallas not counting the IOE time.
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AND there you have it with regards to "AirTran pilots will own the SW upgrades"

That process is going to take a looooooong time. Those more senior Trannies that came over earlier will have an earlier shot...if they run that many upgrade slots.
 
slaquer5 said:
So basically double everyones years of service at AirTran . That would give you your seniority at SWA


Not sure why they did not do that . It seems fair to me :)




Sidebar. SWA was not growing because the CEO was right sizing the airline for merger .
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Relative seniority knows no years, it knows percentage. that's it. That's why it is generally more fair. As far as your sidebar, bless your heart.
 
?never mind. Off to more important things. Pilot Knob?.out.
 
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iflyhigh72 said:
Just got this info from the school house this week. I don't know if this has been posted yet but we were told that the AirTran 717 Capt's will have to undergo 6 weeks of training and be held to the same standard as the new hires off the street for type rating purposes. They'll get typed and then hit the line for 25 hours of IOE. Training was asking for 100 hrs but that was rejected. Once successfully completed they will go back for the full 3 week captain upgrade course. That's 2+ months in Dallas not counting the IOE time.
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A bunch of senior 717 guys flew the 737 at airtran or other airlines so they're already typed. I think they can handle the same standard as guys off the street.
 
Flash said:
A bunch of senior 717 guys flew the 737 at airtran or other airlines so they're already typed. I think they can handle the same standard as guys off the street.
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Tell it the Feds and the company. They're calling the shots.
 
Flash said:
A bunch of senior 717 guys flew the 737 at airtran or other airlines so they're already typed. I think they can handle the same standard as guys off the street.
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Yep. The guys with 3 or 4 digit AirTran employee numbers were AirTran Airways guys (remember the old "manatee" callsign?). They flew 737 Classics, then when those went away (2000) they transitioned to DC9 and/or 717.
 
madjack said:
Lottery winners....but too Proud of AAI to admit it....
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Too a man and woman, we all hated keeping any seniority. Too bad american ruined it when they bought TWA in bankruptcy. Also when you work for a company you should not be proud of your accomplishments or your companies accomplishments. Like AirTran. I tell everyone I know how horrible SWA is.
 
Pilot Knob said:
Relative seniority knows no years, it knows percentage. that's it. That's why it is generally more fair.
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Absolutely incorrect. The only way that relative knows no years is if you merge two groups that are exactly identical in age and that is of course absolutely impossible.

If 1000 pilots are placed in front of me on a list and they average 10 years younger than the pilots that were there before, please tell me what that does each and every year they don't retire at the same rate that the others would have.
 
THANK YOU HOWARD

This is what every air tran pilot who refuses to understand what junior FO's at SWA lost in this deal will not see. (Key word: will- they're capable- they just won't.)
Not even a signing bonus or raise to take the sting out.
 
HowardBorden said:
Absolutely incorrect. The only way that relative knows no years is if you merge two groups that are exactly identical in age and that is of course absolutely impossible.

If 1000 pilots are placed in front of me on a list and they average 10 years younger than the pilots that were there before, please tell me what that does each and every year they don't retire at the same rate that the others would have.
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I'm really tired of arguing about the SLI, so I hesitate to even respond, but there was something proposed by our side to address that concern. It's called a dynamic seniority list. It ensures that you always hold on to your own carrier's attrition, while not destroying any bidding power on the front end. Your NC refused to even listen to the proposal.
 
waveflyer said:
THANK YOU HOWARD

This is what every air tran pilot who refuses to understand what junior FO's at SWA lost in this deal will not see. (Key word: will- they're capable- they just won't.)
Not even a signing bonus or raise to take the sting out.
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Welcome to mergers Wave. You are not immune. Don't gimme the "acquisition" verbage either. The huge issue you and Howie conveniently forget is that your boss had a "process agreement" stating that if there was no agreement to an SLI between unions, then it would go to arbitration? Is that not right? In arbitration, there is NO WAY not one AT guy would not move over to the SWA side in the left seat of planes it was bringing to the party (737-700s and even 738s with options). Total BS, and you guys try to forget it.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
madjack said:
I avoid them...ha ha
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I didn't know WN had F/O avoidance bids. Can I put all WN captains on my avoidance bid and only fly with FAT captains? In the meantime, I'll avoid as many as possible myself, have for years, even before the merger announcement.
 
Luv2BFlyin said:
I didn't know WN had F/O avoidance bids. Can I put all WN captains on my avoidance bid and only fly with FAT captains? In the meantime, I'll avoid as many as possible myself, have for years, even before the merger announcement.
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Only 3 brother Only. 3. :)
 
Luv2BFlyin
Just remember with the avoidance bid you drop down to your next choice on your monthly bid. So currently you if your top 3 picks have Capt that are on your avoidance bid you get your 4th choice. If you want to be able to avoid say 200 Capt you will also be getting your 201st choice.
 
Just wondering how wacky jack does it. I can do my job safely, no matter whom I might be paired with. Some are just much easier to get along with than others. It won't be long before the number one captain on my avoidance bid will be one i can't avoid :) .
 
General Lee said:
Welcome to mergers Wave. You are not immune. Don't gimme the "acquisition" verbage either. The huge issue you and Howie conveniently forget is that your boss had a "process agreement" stating that if there was no agreement to an SLI between unions, then it would go to arbitration? Is that not right? In arbitration, there is NO WAY not one AT guy would not move over to the SWA side in the left seat of planes it was bringing to the party (737-700s and even 738s with options). Total BS, and you guys try to forget it.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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Well, General, since it's been proven time and again that you don't really know jack squat about our Process Agreement, you probably ought not mouth off pretending like you know what you're talking about. You know?

Bubba
 

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