HAL hiring

[Dan Roman]

Dan, the 321NEO has the same sized wings & fuselage as the current version, but with 'sharklet' type winglets. There is a little aerodynamic cleanup, but most of the improved fuel economy comes from the new engines,

HAL

Thanks!

 

[fly4surf]

They are working on the EFB I think.

 

[waveflyer]

Haha
You ALWAYS respond Dan

It shows you're worried about it- but I think it'll be ok if it went down-
Hawaii has been good to me
They accepted you, I'm pretty sure they'll get used to me too in time

 

[Dan Roman]

Haha
You ALWAYS respond Dan

It shows you're worried about it- but I think it'll be ok if it went down-
Hawaii has been good to me
They accepted you, I'm pretty sure they'll get used to me too in time

That's because I enjoy winning and you are civil when you lose!:beer:

 

[Junkflyer]

SWA will buy HAL and refurbish the 717's and 330's and give them to Delta for below market prices.

 

[redflyer65]

Doesn't Delta sublease some of HAL's 767 anyway? That could be a pretty easy lease return.

 

[HAL]

Doesn't Delta sublease some of HAL's 767 anyway? That could be a pretty easy lease return.

No, HA bought (not leased) four of DL's non-ER 767s in 2006 at a very good price, then refurbished them and made them ETOPS capable. DL sold them at the bottom of the market, and (I believe) later regretted letting them go so cheaply. But HA never sublet any of their planes to or from DL. As of now HA owns seven of their 767s outright, and lease the rest from AWAS and BCC.

HAL

 

[whymeworry?]

Nice try Wave! But I'll bite....if your Hail Mary prediction did come true, and SWA lost the plot of what made them successful (LCC 737 flying) and tried to merge with HA, the SWA pilots would be fenced out of the widebody flying for a long time. The Judge has to consider what each airline brings to the table as far as career expectations. New hires at HA can go to the widebodies, SWA has zero career expectations there. You would effectively and legally be fenced out for a long time. As you guys trickled over, if you brought the attitude that SWA is famous for (you should be happy to merge with us!!!) you would find Hawaii a very unfriendly place.

I think you'd be dead wrong in your assessment. Right or wrong, the larger group always prevails. The arbitrators threw the career expectations of CAL pilots right out the window. UAL prevailed. Same for Airtran vs SWA. It is what it is.

Your best bet now would be to have your MEC draw up a successorship agreement with management that states the exact terms and conditions HAL pilots are to receive were a merger to occur. Have it be as iron-clad as debt liability assumed in any merger transaction. Otherwise, were a merger to play out, you will get clobbered by the larger group. Trust me. It just is what it is.

The judge (or judges in the case of a arb panel) can, and will, do whatever they want. What you see as reasonable will not be what they are seeing, and vice versa.

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Nice try Wave! But I'll bite....if your Hail Mary prediction did come true, and SWA lost the plot of what made them successful (LCC 737 flying) and tried to merge with HA, the SWA pilots would be fenced out of the widebody flying for a long time. The Judge has to consider what each airline brings to the table as far as career expectations. New hires at HA can go to the widebodies, SWA has zero career expectations there. You would effectively and legally be fenced out for a long time. As you guys trickled over, if you brought the attitude that SWA is famous for (you should be happy to merge with us!!!) you would find Hawaii a very unfriendly place.

Ha! Hawaii is not an unfriendly place when it comes to the mighty dollar. Everyone thought Go would be met with hostility. Instead the locals loved the price. If any airline decided to come in inter island and fly to the West Coast, Alaska is liked, the locals will go wherever the cheapest fare is. And from what I see the inter island fares are much to high, since Aloha folded, for the locals. A merger or acquisition or better yet new arrival will be welcomed as long as fares come down. Unfriendly, I think not, that's your ego talking.

 

[Jim]

....Everyone thought Go would be met with hostility. Instead the locals loved the price...

Which is obviously why they filled their planes to capacity, gained a large protion of the interisland market, and are doing so well right now.......

Oh yeah, I guess none of the locals cared they ran Aloha out of business either.

Oh wait......you said Go? Weren't they ********************ty carrier that the locals avoided, lost millions of dollars yearly, had terrible plane availablity, a high number of flight cancellations, a terrible on-time record, and went out of business?

Yup, the locals loved them....

 

[Dan Roman]

Ha! Hawaii is not an unfriendly place when it comes to the mighty dollar. Everyone thought Go would be met with hostility. Instead the locals loved the price. If any airline decided to come in inter island and fly to the West Coast, Alaska is liked, the locals will go wherever the cheapest fare is. And from what I see the inter island fares are much to high, since Aloha folded, for the locals. A merger or acquisition or better yet new arrival will be welcomed as long as fares come down. Unfriendly, I think not, that's your ego talking.

Go failed as badly as it's possible for an airline to fail.
Your the ex Aloha guy who was complaining about HA's hiring process (sorry you didn't get hired) then you were saying you hope HA gets bought and all it's pilots (including all your ex co workers from AQ ) get stapled. Nuff said.

 

[Dan Roman]

I think you'd be dead wrong in your assessment. Right or wrong, the larger group always prevails. The arbitrators threw the career expectations of CAL pilots right out the window. UAL prevailed. Same for Airtran vs SWA. It is what it is.

Your best bet now would be to have your MEC draw up a successorship agreement with management that states the exact terms and conditions HAL pilots are to receive were a merger to occur. Have it be as iron-clad as debt liability assumed in any merger transaction. Otherwise, were a merger to play out, you will get clobbered by the larger group. Trust me. It just is what it is.

The judge (or judges in the case of a arb panel) can, and will, do whatever they want. What you see as reasonable will not be what they are seeing, and vice versa.

You raise some good points, but the reality is that if anyone bought us it would probably be someone with a large fleet of widebodies already. My point about the career expectations was if the SWA pipe dream happened. It really is unrealistic for a lot of reasons that have been hashed out before on here.

 

[Double Shot]

I wouldn't call buying Hawaiian a pipe dream. And as far as there are roughly 8000 of us and only 650 ish of you I'll take those those odds....

 

[waveflyer]

You raise some good points, but the reality is that if anyone bought us it would probably be someone with a large fleet of widebodies already. My point about the career expectations was if the SWA pipe dream happened. It really is unrealistic for a lot of reasons that have been hashed out before on here.

You hope that so desperately

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest Airlines

 

[Dan Roman]

You hope that so desperately

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest Airlines

Actually Wave, it appears it's a much bigger deal for you then me.
Really dude, if "Gary" thought adding a relatively small Airbus hub in HNL as a good way to expand, your career would be in serious jeopardy.

 

[Dan Roman]

I wouldn't call buying Hawaiian a pipe dream. And as far as there are roughly 8000 of us and only 650 ish of you I'll take those those odds....

You don't know much about Hawaiian, Hawaii or the reality of someone from the outside trying to conduct business over here if it causes problems for those of us who are already established here.

 

[Dan Roman]

You hope that so desperately

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest Airlines

That said, not sure why you would be promoting a concept that has a separate operation operated by non SWAPA pilots? Or even worse, a venue for SWAPA pilots to try and trickle over into a very hostile environment?

 

[Jim]

You hope that so desperately

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest Airlines

Purple isn't our corporate color anymore, it's blue now.

 

[waveflyer]

Purple isn't our corporate color anymore, it's blue now.

Apologies Jim

HAWAIIAN AIRLINESoperated by Southwest

That better?

 

[waveflyer]

That said, not sure why you would be promoting a concept that has a separate operation operated by non SWAPA pilots? Or even worse, a venue for SWAPA pilots to try and trickle over into a very hostile environment?

We wouldn't be a separate group. Our contract doesn't allow that as I'm sure yours doesn't, and it would be a terrible modern precedent.
We'd have our SLI, but that doesn't mean that SWA couldn't see the value in keeping the hawaiian brand and negotiate something with the unions to honor the history as well as we could.

I'd imagine we'd have to negotiate some sort of a system flush rebid so that it doesn't become this little hostile island out there-
but what are you saying anyway?
You gonna beat me up if I show up after being awarded an HNL 330 slot my seniority can hold??
Is that how it works there brother?