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Delta mainline back to Juneau? Looks like it in late May...

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AK737FO said:
Interesting article. Looks like Big D didn't bother to tell the JNU airport or the FAA that they were going to fly to JNU next spring. With no RNP, I see lots of gate holds in SEA followed by JNU over flights on the way to the ANC alternate. It will work out pretty well as a non-rev express for those who want to go to ANC. The summer tourists will get their vacation screwed up for a day or two (but will be pleased they saved $75 on the cost of their airline ticket). The locals (for the most part) who understand weather and RNP will stick with us. But first, maybe Big D should call someone at the JNU airport and let them know the plan. Maybe an email, a little note... a memo... anything...

http://juneauempire.com/local/2013-12-16/delta-resume-service-juneau#.UrHbF02A272
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Are you sure about the locals in JNU? You should read the comments at the end of the article. Looks like they are looking for a change...



http://www.ktoo.org/2013/12/16/delta-challenges-alaska-airlines-on-seattle-juneau-route/



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I'm really glad I quit coming on here regularly. Obviously I haven't missed much. I just can't figure out why anyone engages General Lee in any kind of discussion. He or she has got to be the most narcissistic and pathetic person on FI. Nearly every thread has something that this loser feels obligated to chime in on. If this person were actually a Delta pilot (which I am pretty doubtful he actually is) he is a truly sad individual. Obviously he has no wife or kids, or maybe he does. They just want nothing to do with him. How else does he realistically have time to post so much vitriol on nearly every subject on Flightinfo? More than likely this person is a 40 year old wannabe that still lives with his mom. He doesn't actually post anything that can't be found by scouring the internet for news articles and posts by actual aviation professionals on other web boards. Posting on here gets his little cannoli all hard because he is delusional enough to mistake people responding to his posts as some sort of actual human contact, of which he clearly gets none of. It's too bad that FI has become a sounding board for losers like this. The colossal amount of fecal matter that someone has to wade through, just to get a nugget of good info on here, is truly amazing.

As for Delta going to Juneau--so what? They'll figure out that it's no picnic when the weather isn't perfect, which can be any time of year. One of the worst weather days I've experienced in Juneau was this past Summer. Good luck to them.
 
Chief Pilot said:
I'm really glad I quit coming on here regularly. Obviously I haven't missed much. I just can't figure out why anyone engages General Lee in any kind of discussion. He or she has got to be the most narcissistic and pathetic person on FI. Nearly every thread has something that this loser feels obligated to chime in on. If this person were actually a Delta pilot (which I am pretty doubtful he actually is) he is a truly sad individual. Obviously he has no wife or kids, or maybe he does. They just want nothing to do with him. How else does he realistically have time to post so much vitriol on nearly every subject on Flightinfo? More than likely this person is a 40 year old wannabe that still lives with his mom. He doesn't actually post anything that can't be found by scouring the internet for news articles and posts by actual aviation professionals on other web boards. Posting on here gets his little cannoli all hard because he is delusional enough to mistake people responding to his posts as some sort of actual human contact, of which he clearly gets none of. It's too bad that FI has become a sounding board for losers like this. The colossal amount of fecal matter that someone has to wade through, just to get a nugget of good info on here, is truly amazing.

As for Delta going to Juneau--so what? They'll figure out that it's no picnic when the weather isn't perfect, which can be any time of year. One of the worst weather days I've experienced in Juneau was this past Summer. Good luck to them.
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Oooooohhhh-Kay...... Wow. Someone doesn't want me to enjoy something. Some people just don't want others to be happy or enjoy anything, maybe because they themselves are miserable. I enjoy this site, and give opinions. If you don't agree, then state why. If you want to ignore me, then use that option. People do get upset when they realize that I actually bring up accurate points, to which they cannot refute. I'm sorry if I upset them, I just like the debate and banter, and don't take it too seriously. Have a great day, and I bet DL is gearing up for JNU right now, and should be ready by next May.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General Lee said:
I think DL MIGHT find some TDY types who may want to do it? I don't think it would be tough to find people who might volunteer? Just a guess...


Bye Bye---General Lee
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TDY.. For 4 / 5 months of svs. 1 flight a day ? . That's seems kinda pricy .. But hell big D has billions !! ..
 
Old School 737 said:
TDY.. For 4 / 5 months of svs. 1 flight a day ? . That's seems kinda pricy .. But hell big D has billions !! ..
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No, I've seen station managers and Mechanics do this. I guess they could hire some locals to load some bags. Ever been to Hayden (Steamboat Springs, CO) or Vail? Those airports hire temps for their busy seasons, primarily Winter for Ski Resorts. Same could be done for JNU in the Summer. They have until May to figure it out, and I bet it will be A-OK.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
AK737FO said:
Interesting article. Looks like Big D didn't bother to tell the JNU airport or the FAA that they were going to fly to JNU next spring. With no RNP, I see lots of gate holds in SEA followed by JNU over flights on the way to the ANC alternate. It will work out pretty well as a non-rev express for those who want to go to ANC. The summer tourists will get their vacation screwed up for a day or two (but will be pleased they saved $75 on the cost of their airline ticket). The locals (for the most part) who understand weather and RNP will stick with us. But first, maybe Big D should call someone at the JNU airport and let them know the plan. Maybe an email, a little note... a memo... anything...

http://juneauempire.com/local/2013-12-16/delta-resume-service-juneau#.UrHbF02A272
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DAL has developed RNP approaches to a number of airports. I have flown them into GEO and Monrovia, Liberia. How did DAL fly into JUN in the late 80's and early to mid 90's without RNP. In a 727 at that.
 
dalad said:
DAL has developed RNP approaches to a number of airports. I have flown them into GEO and Monrovia, Liberia. How did DAL fly into JUN in the late 80's and early to mid 90's without RNP. In a 727 at that.
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The answer is - not well! The 727 and the 737-200 days were old school LDA approaches. Basically to VFR mins. Back then, reliable service in and out of JNU was not good. Those days are gone and the good people of JNU have come to understand what we can do today with the magic of RNP.

I'm sure Delta can develop RNP approaches. I'm sure they can train crews. I'm sure they can spend a lot of money on the problem. I'm not so sure they can get all the pieces in place for reliable service by next spring. And - I'm not so sure they can make any money at it when it's all said and done.

Club 49 will be a big player. Folks will soon realize that they "saved" $75 on their Delta ticket, but then spent $400 on their large checked bags!

It will be a little funny to see the big D ticket counter down at the end of the bush and float plane counters. Go in the front door, take a right, go past the stuffed Grizzly, then past the gift shop, then past the bathrooms, past the float plane / bush plane counters - all the way down at the end. Welcome to Alaska!
 
AK737FO said:
The answer is - not well! The 727 and the 737-200 days were old school LDA approaches. Basically to VFR mins. Back then, reliable service in and out of JNU was not good. Those days are gone and the good people of JNU have come to understand what we can do today with the magic of RNP.

I'm sure Delta can develop RNP approaches. I'm sure they can train crews. I'm sure they can spend a lot of money on the problem. I'm not so sure they can get all the pieces in place for reliable service by next spring. And - I'm not so sure they can make any money at it when it's all said and done.

Club 49 will be a big player. Folks will soon realize that they "saved" $75 on their Delta ticket, but then spent $400 on their large checked bags!

It will be a little funny to see the big D ticket counter down at the end of the bush and float plane counters. Go in the front door, take a right, go past the stuffed Grizzly, then past the gift shop, then past the bathrooms, past the float plane / bush plane counters - all the way down at the end. Welcome to Alaska!
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Funny to read some of the comments from that article I posted, looks like some people favor an extra player. As far as getting a new ticket counter, the experience will be like your small one just created at SLC. And, I'm sure operations will be exactly the same as the 727 days, right? Nothing has changed since then..... Riiiight. Welcome to Alaska you say? Well, 3 more mainline from SEA to ANC, (besides nonstops to MSP, SLC, DTW, LAX, and ATL) 1 new one from SEA to FAI (besides nonstops from MSP and SLC), and now JNU. Sounds like Alaska is fairly well known to DL. Maybe that will increase too, you never know....


Bye Bye----General Lee
 
I think we at Alaska Airlines are going to discover that Alaskans are not particularly fond of the airline headquartered in SEA that simply borrows the name of the state....The city and borough of Juneau owns all the airport facilities such as terminals, jetways, ticket counters, bagwells etc....One of our core business strategies is to run the competition out of business and immediately bend over the locals....we may find this strategy has the potential to backfire....badly....RNP was developed using Alaska Airlines money, jets etc.....but the technology was owned by a couple guys who worked on it....they built a company designing radius to fix RNP arrivals and approaches for anyone and everyone around the world.....subsequently they sold this company to a large well known aviation company who will happily build rf rnp approaches for anyone....I think Widget World knows all of this and intend to benefit from it........
 
tico said:
I think we at Alaska Airlines are going to discover that Alaskans are not particularly fond of the airline headquartered in SEA that simply borrows the name of the state....The city and borough of Juneau owns all the airport facilities such as terminals, jetways, ticket counters, bagwells etc....One of our core business strategies is to run the competition out of business and immediately bend over the locals....we may find this strategy has the potential to backfire....badly....RNP was developed using Alaska Airlines money, jets etc.....but the technology was owned by a couple guys who worked on it....they built a company designing radius to fix RNP arrivals and approaches for anyone and everyone around the world.....subsequently they sold this company to a large well known aviation company who will happily build rf rnp approaches for anyone....I think Widget World knows all of this and intend to benefit from it........
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Yep. Years of bending Alaskans over in a monopoly will not help. Competition is always good for everyone involved. Hopefully Alaska's game improves.
 
Chief Pilot said:
As for Delta going to Juneau--so what? They'll figure out that it's no picnic when the weather isn't perfect, which can be any time of year. One of the worst weather days I've experienced in Juneau was this past Summer. Good luck to them.
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Say what you want about GL CP, but then you throw chum in the water like the puke you spewed above and not expect a comment?

(Gasp) weather? Oh jeeze, now you are scaring me.....only the mighty Eskimo can brave the perils of the Alaskan bush. Please Mr. Weatherman, say it ain't so....we Delta Bubbas only know JOOOL-lie thunderstorms and name all our planes JENNay!

Thanks for the big scare, we'll probably go there anyway....
 
Even more AK flights from SLC!

Alaska Airlines Adds More Salt Lake City Service
Fares available for booking Dec. 24 between Salt Lake City and Boise, Las Vegas and San Francisco
PR Newswire Alaska Airlines 3 minutes ago
SEATTLE, Dec. 20, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Alaska Airlines is adding daily flights to three more cities from Salt Lake City next summer, marking the latest in a series of route expansions. The carrier will begin flying nonstop from Salt Lake City to Boise, Idaho, and Las Vegas on June 16 and between Salt Lake City and San Francisco on June 18. Special introductory sale fares on the new flights will be available for purchase Tuesday, Dec. 24,

"Known for our award-winning service and low fares, we're pleased to offer travelers more opportunities to experience Alaska Airlines' unique service when they fly," said Joe Sprague, vice president of marketing. "These new flights are in addition to our previously announced service between Salt Lake City and Portland, Los Angeles, San Diego and San Jose, which also start next June. These additional flights will complement Alaska's strong network on the West Coast."

The airline will fly one daily roundtrip each between Salt Lake City and Boise and San Francisco, and two daily roundtrips between Salt Lake and Las Vegas. Flights from Salt Lake City to San Francisco allow travelers same-day connections to the airline's nonstop service to Los Cabos and Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.




Ok, this is getting good. Hopefully more mainline planes will head West. I think this will benefit DL pilots with forced mainline growth....


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
This merger is gonna happen now, everybody is going all-in to drop stock prices.

I look forward to sharing a cockpit with my Alaska brethren (as long as it's not a WIDEBODY)....Joke, TIC.

Everybody thinks this is us vs. them but the die has been cast months ago.
 
I would guess someone adding back SEA and PDX to Hawaii next, possibly several islands? Maybe? ;)

Bye Bye---General Lee
 
BILL LUMBERG said:
Say what you want about GL CP, but then you throw chum in the water like the puke you spewed above and not expect a comment?

(Gasp) weather? Oh jeeze, now you are scaring me.....only the mighty Eskimo can brave the perils of the Alaskan bush. Please Mr. Weatherman, say it ain't so....we Delta Bubbas only know JOOOL-lie thunderstorms and name all our planes JENNay!

Thanks for the big scare, we'll probably go there anyway....
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You GL on the reach around rotation now or something?
 
I am almost sure this was RA plan the whole time. It worked to his advantage perfectly SWA is busy, AMR is really busy, UAL is still a mess. Icing on the cake... DAL pilots retain the best merger attorney in the business. I would like to think we can pull it off but the latest news I have heard is AS is considering... DP has offered oneworld and a stronger partnership... Don't think it's enough.
 
The widebody thing is a joke.. You will be hiring into the widebody soon. There will be no fence... But AS boys and girls there will be no real base protection either. After 18 mo's you will hold what your seniority holds.
 
All this merger speculation ... ?? If Alaska doesn't want to do it it would be hostile and that would drive the price up further !! I don't see it happening unless Alaska wants it .. And even then the Feds won't allow it .. Just my 2cents
 
Old School 737 said:
All this merger speculation ... ?? If Alaska doesn't want to do it it would be hostile and that would drive the price up further !! I don't see it happening unless Alaska wants it .. And even then the Feds won't allow it .. Just my 2cents
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I agree. Plus, you DON'T want route overlap. When you compete directly on certain routes, the Govt wants to keep that for consumers. Both DL and AK have been adding routes directly against each other. That would make it tougher to sell to the Justice Dept and Dept of Transportation, not easier. These latest moves show overlap.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Mercyful Fate said:
You GL on the reach around rotation now or something?
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Throttle back Ace....

You can start with me, that's cool. I won't waste my time with you so if you want a GL style Urinary Olympiad....by all means, have at it.
 
Old School 737 said:
All this merger speculation ... ?? If Alaska doesn't want to do it it would be hostile and that would drive the price up further !! I don't see it happening unless Alaska wants it .. And even then the Feds won't allow it .. Just my 2cents
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Me thinks is that it drops the stock price when there is direct competition....not just one airline on a route anymore reaping the profits. Wall Street notices that sort of thing. Especially if cash cow profitable routes start to get eroded..on both sides.

Good point and something to watch though Old School.
 
BILL LUMBERG said:
Me thinks is that it drops the stock price when there is direct competition....not just one airline on a route anymore reaping the profits. Wall Street notices that sort of thing. Especially if cash cow profitable routes start to get eroded..on both sides.

Good point and something to watch though Old School.
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One seasonal leg to Juneau and a bunch of Rj flights isn't going to drop the stock much. But, it might get big D all warmed up for SE Alaska flying when they buy us. GL can ride in my right seat on the way up to Sitka and buy that third beer he likes to talk about!
 
Mamma said:
One seasonal leg to Juneau and a bunch of Rj flights isn't going to drop the stock much. But, it might get big D all warmed up for SE Alaska flying when they buy us. GL can ride in my right seat on the way up to Sitka and buy that third beer he likes to talk about!
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Yeah but think about the stock price across the whole spectrum of routes. The stock price WILL drop because exclusive profitability will go down, the better to pull off the all-stock swap purchase of AK.

Juneau isn't the only route where we are going to head to head anymore.
 

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