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Mindset of the typical US Airways east pilot?

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Dan Roman said:
It's called career expectations. You can't put a furloughed pilot ahead of an active Captain either.
USAir and AWA could not have been two more difficult lists to merge. The right thing to do was let it go to binding arbitration and the east should have been happy they got a lifeline.
By reneging on the promise to accept the "binding" part of the deal the east pilots greatly diminished their professional standing in the industry. When they started make arguments like the letter writer in the beginning of this they made fools of themselves. Sad deal because, no matter what your leadership (the one's who have been wrong over and over again) says, USAPA is baggage you carry into this merger that you would have been way better served not to have.
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Yep.

Funny thing is that everyone on the outside can see it clearly, except the Easties. I have yet to see anyone other than an Eastie that thought their actions had any merit.
 
When airways get stapled to the bottom of americans list is usapa gonna reform and demand to go back to crap wages until they're dealt with fairly?
 
St. Nic said:
Good question!

This character assassinAtion stuff has gone on long enough- the west pilots on here need to read the definition of unity
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Unity? You CAN"T spell unity! (Spoken like Jack Nicholson, "You CANT handle the truth!"

Unity begins with and M E or an I. :D
 
dollacrackho said:
When airways get stapled to the bottom of americans list is usapa gonna reform and demand to go back to crap wages until they're dealt with fairly?
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When APA tells the West they will never allow the West Class to ever fly a Wide Body (other than the new orders), will the West still argue for Nic or nothing. :D
 
St. Nic said:
Good question!

This character assassinAtion stuff has gone on long enough- the west pilots on here need to read the definition of unity
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Are you really saying you think after years of USAPA literally attacking the west pilots, demeaning them as inferior, and undermining their careers you think it's anything other than pathological arrogance to lecture them on unity? Really?
 
Turtle21 said:
When APA tells the West they will never allow the West Class to ever fly a Wide Body (other than the new orders), will the West still argue for Nic or nothing. :D
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Is. APA, getting involved with the East/west. Senority ?

I would think APA only cares about getting a list they can use .
 
APA can't negotiate an SLI until Judge Silver rules.
 
Without any name calling or accusations ....

When is Silvers ruling expected?
Is it going to be difinitive enough to move forward with SLI?

Personally, it won't help/hurt me, as I have only 1 yr at US.
All I am curious about is when can the biggest adult food fight I've ever experienced be over?!

Thanks & happy holidays all.
 
When APA supports Single Carrier and tosses USAPA. They won't even need a nifty wooden box to deliver the corrupted voting cards to the NMB
 
The APA has no intention of stepping into the mess at US Airways. When the pilots at US Airways slide a seniority list across the table, it has to be a legally recognized list for ALL their pilots and not somebody's fantasy.

It's not our fight. It's yours.
 
Draginass said:
The APA has no intention of stepping into the mess at US Airways. When the pilots at US Airways slide a seniority list across the table, it has to be a legally recognized list for ALL their pilots and not somebody's fantasy.

It's not our fight. It's yours.
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Exactly! A internal union process Usapa has complete ownership over. The only legally binding way is to accept the Usapa list- not AOLs lottery ticket!
 
St. Nic said:
Exactly! A internal union process Usapa has complete ownership over. The only legally binding way is to accept the Usapa list- not AOLs lottery ticket!
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You're right.
That internal process has already happened 7 f^cking years ago
And it produced the only legally recognizable list
 
waveflyer said:
You're right.
That internal process has already happened 7 f^cking years ago
And it produced the only legally recognizable list
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You mean, that flawed seniority list where a 17 year never furloughed pilot was placed next to a new hire? The list produced by a flawed union that no longer exists??? Yeah, keep dreaming about the Nic- the Nic is dead. 98%.
 
St. Nic said:
You mean, that flawed seniority list where a 17 year never furloughed pilot was placed next to a new hire? The list produced by a flawed union that no longer exists??? Yeah, keep dreaming about the Nic- the Nic is dead. 98%.
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All that was considered already.

That 17 year pilot had identical seniority to the AWA new hire. Again, it sucks that's where someone 17 years in is at- hell, I might not be all that senior at SWA in another 11 years. Time will tell. So I get that it's not fun-
BUT, this is a oligopolistic/capitalistic, seniority based industry. It is what it is.
We have rejected as an industry ANY concept of a national seniority list. We won't even look at any concept of transporting longevity company to company. So if you find yourself at the bottom of the list after 17 years, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN A RISKY SITUATION. You might be furloughed. You might be bought and merged with another company.

And that's what happened. You may believe in DOH now that america west purchased you - but there was NO MOVEMENT WITHIN USAIR TO CHANGE ALPA MERGER POLICY TO DOH, until america west was announced. None.

So how does this so called "gold standard" have ANY credibility?

It doesn't. Tyranny of the majority made really stupid by the east taking this stand on the worst contract in major airline history.

You've hurt everyone. And no one more than yourself.
 
waveflyer said:
All that was considered already.

That 17 year pilot had identical seniority to the AWA new hire. Again, it sucks that's where someone 17 years in is at- hell, I might not be all that senior at SWA in another 11 years. Time will tell. So I get that it's not fun-
BUT, this is a oligopolistic/capitalistic, seniority based industry. It is what it is.
We have rejected as an industry ANY concept of a national seniority list. We won't even look at any concept of transporting longevity company to company. So if you find yourself at the bottom of the list after 17 years, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN A RISKY SITUATION. You might be furloughed. You might be bought and merged with another company.

And that's what happened. You may believe in DOH now that america west purchased you - but there was NO MOVEMENT WITHIN USAIR TO CHANGE ALPA MERGER POLICY TO DOH, until america west was announced. None.

So how does this so called "gold standard" have ANY credibility?

It doesn't. Tyranny of the majority made really stupid by the east taking this stand on the worst contract in major airline history.

You've hurt everyone. And no one more than yourself.
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Holy ********************, I can't believe I'm saying this. Great post wave !
 
A350 said:
Did furloughed United pilots get credit for longevity when integrated for the UAL/CAL merger?

A350
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Let me take this one for nicky. That is the flawed process of the union that no longer exists! Blah, blah, blah, bs, bs, bs. The usapian utopian solution is to include their furloughed in this situation and fight like hell to keep everyone else out of the equation. And I suppose I have to add his idiotic :D to make it authentic nicky lunacy.
 
St. Nic said:
Exactly! A internal union process Usapa has complete ownership over. The only legally binding way is to accept the Usapa list- not AOLs lottery ticket!
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USAPA doesn't have ownership over anything regarding the West SLI with the APA. It's a virtual certainty that they will get their own seat at MB. Watch the gloves come off straight away against the East as the West walks 3 arbitrators through their illegal behavior over the last 7 years. My guess is you're going to be begging for the nic after this is over.
 
Aww, Dan and scoot have man crushes on me

I have my moments, but fellas, I'm already taken-

I never expected you guys to like it when I was being a dick and calling you sellouts every six seconds, but I have no illusions that I'd 90% agree with you on every other subject
 

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