Mindset of the typical US Airways east pilot?

[flyboyike]

What's particularly disappointing about this mindset is that somewhere along the line rather than being the absolute best you can be it became more important to be better than others, whoever they are.

 

[dollacrackho]

I'm not a usapa cheerleader but come on flyer your statements make you look as silly as the letter writer. Us air was going down the tubes yes but to view awa as a savior is nonsense. Where was awa going? You guys were a nice little regional airline in the southwest. You both needed each other. You were both going nowhere fast.

 

[Bringupthebird]

AWA's future stand alone was no less bright than JetBlue or Alaska.

 

[Bringupthebird]

And his talk about AWA pilots never in their dreams could have flown as international widebody CAs to Europe making $200k?

You mean because they flew 747s across the Pacific? There are US east pilots who probably couldn't even get a 747 started (as proven by their own CA that threw a fit when she couldn't start an APU and had to be escorted from the terminal by airport security)

http://www.thestreet.com/story/1119...?puc=outbrain&cm_ven=outbrain&obref=obnetwork

Yep, "Best of the best"

 

[Metrojet]

What's particularly disappointing about this mindset is that somewhere along the line rather than being the absolute best you can be it became more important to be better than others, whoever they are.

This thread should end with flyboyike' s comments. Well said

Metrojet

 

[Dornier 335]

You mean because they flew 747s across the Pacific? There are US east pilots who probably couldn't even get a 747 started (as proven by their own CA that threw a fit when she couldn't start an APU and had to be escorted from the terminal by airport security)

http://www.thestreet.com/story/1119...?puc=outbrain&cm_ven=outbrain&obref=obnetwork

Yep, "Best of the best"

Not defending/accusing anyone here, but do you know the entire story, or do you simply copy and paste news stories on this board, just to satisfy your anger? I still remember how you accused an east crew of letting a fake pilot ride the jumpseat without knowing the entire details (which were btw distributed by USAPA's propaganda blast mail). I assume you have been in this business long enough to know that there are usually two sides to a story, and that there is a ~10% of oddballs (or whatever you wanna call it) of any group. (Count me in if you want!)

Guilty by association! Sweet!! Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[Dornier 335]

What's particularly disappointing about this mindset is that somewhere along the line rather than being the absolute best you can be it became more important to be better than others, whoever they are.

Nothing new, I am afraid:

"There is also more than a hint of professional snobbery among the men of every line, each convinced that the methods, techniques, and demands of the other airlines must be somewhat inferior to his own."

Ernest K. Gann, "Fate is the Hunter", 1961, describing "the atmosphere of air transport flying during the 1930s".

 

[acpilot]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but the good Capt A isn't fit to sit right seat in an Key Lime Navajo.

He demands respect and has a ridiculous sense of entitlement but I can GUARANTEE that this ace of aces wouldn't last a day in the lowly world of pt135 box hauling; a job that is no doubt beneath him anyway.

This guy is a joke. If he lost his medical or USAir wasn't rescued, what would this clown have been qualified to do?

If USAir was saved by a bunch of underlings that could only hack it at a bush league airline, what does that say about the good Capt A and his clean cut, high flying band of merry wingmen?

I'm sure he's an extreme case, but good lord...

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm not a usapa cheerleader but come on flyer your statements make you look as silly as the letter writer. Us air was going down the tubes yes but to view awa as a savior is nonsense. Where was awa going? You guys were a nice little regional airline in the southwest. You both needed each other. You were both going nowhere fast.

AWA wasn't in nearly as much troble as US Airways was. Airways was on the verge of liquidation. AWA's future was no different or brighter than JetBlue/Alaska. AWA would have found someone else to merge with and still be okay.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I can imagine how this letter got written

Capt. - Hey James, don't you think you should wait until we get out of 10,000 to break out the laptop. or at least until the flaps are up/

Anderson - I'm writing Judge Silver a letter telling her how we deserve to be put ahead of all the west pilots on the basis of our professionalism

Capt. - That's great but the tower is calling saying they saw sparks from the tail as we rotated.

Anderson - Hell, they said that when we landed! They must hate these A321's!

Capt. - Yeah, James, you make a pretty convincing argument. I guess we are the best of the best. Oh, damn, we were supposed to cross XXXXX at 12 and 250!!

 

[Bringupthebird]

I'm not a usapa cheerleader but come on flyer your statements make you look as silly as the letter writer. Us air was going down the tubes yes but to view awa as a savior is nonsense. Where was awa going? You guys were a nice little regional airline in the southwest. You both needed each other. You were both going nowhere fast.

http://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/magazine/2006/May2006_painfullesson_p18.pdf

So AWA was able to talk the gov't into a loan in 3 months and USAir took almost 3 years to secure one and then proceeded to burn through the 1 Billion in a little over 2 years.

Folks who invested in the recovery of AWA have been paid back nicely. The Alabama Teachers Retirement fund took a huge haircut on their investment on USAirways, not to mention the concessions that came with the ATSB loan that USAPA and their supporters are still clinging to.

AWA was far from perfect, but it facilitated the resuscitation of US, for better or worse. The east pilots should have put their pride behind them and chosen better labor leadership and abandoned the failed civil war against the AWA pilots.

 

[St. Nic]

Captain Anderson says what a lot of us think and all you know is true. Awa was the garbage can of airlines

 

[skiandsurf]

How many planes has USAir crashed since 1989 ?

How many passengers have died on USAir planes since 1989 ?

How many planes has America West crashed since they started?

How many passengers have died on America West planes since they started ?

 

[St. Nic]

How many AWA loosers scanned in Australia?

 

[Bringupthebird]

Captain Anderson says what a lot of us think and all you know is true. Awa was the garbage can of airlines

So now we know what the 4th grade thinks of AWA.

Anderson was whining,"Mommy the big boys are laughing at me. Make them stop!"

 

[Bringupthebird]

How many AWA loosers scanned in Australia?

More than were hired without basic spelling skills. "Best of the best", eh?

 

[Dornier 335]

How many planes has USAir crashed since 1989 ?

How many passengers have died on USAir planes since 1989 ?

How many planes has America West crashed since they started?

How many passengers have died on America West planes since they started ?

This is not exact science. Luck or fate has a lot to do with it which is out of our control. I stupidly once rode on a luckily now defunct POS Mexican airline called Aerolineas Internacionales. Their planes lost bolts, screws, fluids and all kind of other parts all over the tarmacs and skies. They never crashed, never claimed a loss of life. How do you explain this?

 

[General Lee]

He talks about the AA merger but conveniently forgets to mention it was the AWA merger that saved his job. Without the dirt bag AWA he'd have been on the street begging instead of whining about how unfair life is to a Judge.

Notice when he was describing all the attributes of a East pilot, he never included integrity.

It's funny that even the US Airway management doesn't think USAPA will fairly represent the West pilot during SLI talks with APA. From the Leonidas last update:

US Airways motion asked the Court to enter a declaratory judgment that the ?West Pilots have the right under Federal McCaskill-Bond statute to full and separate representation in the upcoming seniority-integration proceedings between the pilots employed by US Airways and American Airlines, Inc.?,

This motion also clearly states that management accepted the Nic list and the only reason it hasn't implemented it was the transition agreement requiring operational integration for seniority integration to take place.

It'll be nice when the USAir/AA merger is complete and USAPA is relegated to the dung heap where it belongs.

Well stated Jim..... +1


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Captain Anderson says what a lot of us think and all you know is true. Awa was the garbage can of airlines

So, you were saved by a garbage can? What did that make you guys???


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Well stated Jim..... +1


Bye Bye---General Lee

I like it when we agree Gen.

Jim go it right.