Mindset of the typical US Airways east pilot?

[Draginass]

The APA has no intention of stepping into the mess at US Airways. When the pilots at US Airways slide a seniority list across the table, it has to be a legally recognized list for ALL their pilots and not somebody's fantasy.

It's not our fight. It's yours.

 

[St. Nic]

The APA has no intention of stepping into the mess at US Airways. When the pilots at US Airways slide a seniority list across the table, it has to be a legally recognized list for ALL their pilots and not somebody's fantasy.

It's not our fight. It's yours.

Exactly! A internal union process Usapa has complete ownership over. The only legally binding way is to accept the Usapa list- not AOLs lottery ticket!

 

[waveflyer]

Exactly! A internal union process Usapa has complete ownership over. The only legally binding way is to accept the Usapa list- not AOLs lottery ticket!

You're right.
That internal process has already happened 7 f^cking years ago
And it produced the only legally recognizable list

 

[St. Nic]

You're right.
That internal process has already happened 7 f^cking years ago
And it produced the only legally recognizable list

You mean, that flawed seniority list where a 17 year never furloughed pilot was placed next to a new hire? The list produced by a flawed union that no longer exists??? Yeah, keep dreaming about the Nic- the Nic is dead. 98%.

 

[737tanker]

Using legally binding and USAPA in the same sentence is a joke as USAPA doesn't understand what legally binding means

 

[waveflyer]

You mean, that flawed seniority list where a 17 year never furloughed pilot was placed next to a new hire? The list produced by a flawed union that no longer exists??? Yeah, keep dreaming about the Nic- the Nic is dead. 98%.

All that was considered already.

That 17 year pilot had identical seniority to the AWA new hire. Again, it sucks that's where someone 17 years in is at- hell, I might not be all that senior at SWA in another 11 years. Time will tell. So I get that it's not fun-
BUT, this is a oligopolistic/capitalistic, seniority based industry. It is what it is.
We have rejected as an industry ANY concept of a national seniority list. We won't even look at any concept of transporting longevity company to company. So if you find yourself at the bottom of the list after 17 years, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN A RISKY SITUATION. You might be furloughed. You might be bought and merged with another company.

And that's what happened. You may believe in DOH now that america west purchased you - but there was NO MOVEMENT WITHIN USAIR TO CHANGE ALPA MERGER POLICY TO DOH, until america west was announced. None.

So how does this so called "gold standard" have ANY credibility?

It doesn't. Tyranny of the majority made really stupid by the east taking this stand on the worst contract in major airline history.

You've hurt everyone. And no one more than yourself.

 

[TWA Dude]

When is Silvers ruling expected?

Nobody can answer your questions other than Judge Silver. Her usual time to rule on big stuff is around three months however she is well aware of our time table so we expect she'll rule a lot sooner.

 

[Scoot 11]

All that was considered already.

That 17 year pilot had identical seniority to the AWA new hire. Again, it sucks that's where someone 17 years in is at- hell, I might not be all that senior at SWA in another 11 years. Time will tell. So I get that it's not fun-
BUT, this is a oligopolistic/capitalistic, seniority based industry. It is what it is.
We have rejected as an industry ANY concept of a national seniority list. We won't even look at any concept of transporting longevity company to company. So if you find yourself at the bottom of the list after 17 years, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN A RISKY SITUATION. You might be furloughed. You might be bought and merged with another company.

And that's what happened. You may believe in DOH now that america west purchased you - but there was NO MOVEMENT WITHIN USAIR TO CHANGE ALPA MERGER POLICY TO DOH, until america west was announced. None.

So how does this so called "gold standard" have ANY credibility?

It doesn't. Tyranny of the majority made really stupid by the east taking this stand on the worst contract in major airline history.

You've hurt everyone. And no one more than yourself.

Holy ********************, I can't believe I'm saying this. Great post wave !

 

[Dan Roman]

One of the better takes on the issue that I've seen, Wave.

 

[A350]

Did furloughed United pilots get credit for longevity when integrated for the UAL/CAL merger?

A350

 

[doh]

Did furloughed United pilots get credit for longevity when integrated for the UAL/CAL merger?

A350

Let me take this one for nicky. That is the flawed process of the union that no longer exists! Blah, blah, blah, bs, bs, bs. The usapian utopian solution is to include their furloughed in this situation and fight like hell to keep everyone else out of the equation. And I suppose I have to add his idiotic to make it authentic nicky lunacy.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

How many AWA loosers scanned in Australia?

What is a "looser"?

 

[Ocity]

Exactly! A internal union process Usapa has complete ownership over. The only legally binding way is to accept the Usapa list- not AOLs lottery ticket!

USAPA doesn't have ownership over anything regarding the West SLI with the APA. It's a virtual certainty that they will get their own seat at MB. Watch the gloves come off straight away against the East as the West walks 3 arbitrators through their illegal behavior over the last 7 years. My guess is you're going to be begging for the nic after this is over.

 

[waveflyer]

Aww, Dan and scoot have man crushes on me

I have my moments, but fellas, I'm already taken-

I never expected you guys to like it when I was being a dick and calling you sellouts every six seconds, but I have no illusions that I'd 90% agree with you on every other subject

 

[Bad-Andy]

What is a "looser"?

Something that is not as tight as another????