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Wide range of reasonableness
Internal union process
Nic is doa.
Get it thru your thick skull westie
No lottery ticket
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One more thing. The APA doesn't want anything to do with the Nic. They hate it. They want to bury it. Nobody is on your side! Should have taken the 9 advise and negotiate with the union. At least you could have got something g besides furloughs and downgrades. I don't feel sorry for yiu though you deserve it
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I do.
I'd tell you who my people are over at Amon Carter Blvd but they'd be pretty disappointed with my wasting time on FI. They'd also tell you lock step legally with the folks at hwy 360 South that the combined usair list that will be integrated with APA is te binding nic award.
To not do so opens AMR to far more litigation than the east can throw-
And in their words-
"Is the right thing anyway"
And I'll also say I was wrong on one account-
We ALL as an industry have a dog in this fight.
In 2007, instead of accepting the Nic and accepting MUCH NEEDED contractual gains the rest of us could pattern bargain off of- you took your stand on what is easily the worst major airline contract in history.
Quickly age 65 and a melted global economy saw the opportunity for such contractual gains disappear overnight
Now it's 2013- we as pilots are gainin leverage. your feud is as embedded as ever- and we as an industry have made far too little progress in keeping up with inflation.
The question I have for every east pilot is how much longer?
You are UNDERCUTTING yourselves most of all, but you Are ALSO UNDERCUTTING ALL OF THE REST OF US.
How long before you admit you have failed?
And please know this- if you were magically awarded date if hire today- you still lost
We ALL LOST
I'd tell you who my people are over at Amon Carter Blvd but they'd be pretty disappointed with my wasting time on FI. They'd also tell you lock step legally with the folks at hwy 360 South that the combined usair list that will be integrated with APA is te binding nic award.
To not do so opens AMR to far more litigation than the east can throw-
And in their words-
"Is the right thing anyway"
And I'll also say I was wrong on one account-
We ALL as an industry have a dog in this fight.
In 2007, instead of accepting the Nic and accepting MUCH NEEDED contractual gains the rest of us could pattern bargain off of- you took your stand on what is easily the worst major airline contract in history.
Quickly age 65 and a melted global economy saw the opportunity for such contractual gains disappear overnight
Now it's 2013- we as pilots are gainin leverage. your feud is as embedded as ever- and we as an industry have made far too little progress in keeping up with inflation.
The question I have for every east pilot is how much longer?
You are UNDERCUTTING yourselves most of all, but you Are ALSO UNDERCUTTING ALL OF THE REST OF US.
How long before you admit you have failed?
And please know this- if you were magically awarded date if hire today- you still lost
We ALL LOST
Bringupthebird
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Reasonableness is for negotiations. The moose out front shoulda told ya. You bungled that and the Nic is what you got and what was accepted (and paid for) by the company. Had the bubba brigade formed USAPA prior to negotiations, then you might have an argument worth making. But, yadidn't.
Choosing sides and representing one at the expense of the other is not an internal union process. It's a overripe DFR.
The east has not done much to gain support from any pilot group, much less the APA. They will want to follow the M-B process to a T to avoid the crippling litigation that USAPA thrives on. The punks that ginned up their playschool union so that their bad behavior would be rewarded with stolen upgrades will not find any kindred spirits in the APA. Only alienation and isolation, rightly earned.
The east will forever be tarred (and re-tarred, I'm sure you understand) with the stain of what they have done to their fellow pilots at US and throughout the industry.
But I am confident that you are not a pilot for US, merely someone with a bizarre desire to participate in the feces fling with borrowed feces.
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Fair enough.
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APA has no business in what list US Airways pilots use! That belongs to USAPA and only USAPA. Its an internal union process that is at the sole discretion of USAPA and nobody else.
You cant tell me that APA even wants the nicolau. look how devistating it is! Maybe a few AA pilots would want it but the majority I talk to on the jumpseat say they want nothing to do with the nicolau
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St. loser is a west pilot. How gullible are you Folks on this board.
Grow up, it's getting old.
M
Originally Posted by St. Nic
East pilots had one of the best jobs in the industry, they had pilots leaving UAL, AMR and LUV to go to work there. AAA was an envy of the industry for many years, now the AWA pilots had a chance to feel some of that and they ruined it with their super-seniority demands.
There- I just did a MCDU- posing as somebody I really am not! God I love this board.
P.S. MCDU is a bitter east pilot but he has a fixation with America West
Grow up, it's getting old.
M
Originally Posted by St. Nic
East pilots had one of the best jobs in the industry, they had pilots leaving UAL, AMR and LUV to go to work there. AAA was an envy of the industry for many years, now the AWA pilots had a chance to feel some of that and they ruined it with their super-seniority demands.
There- I just did a MCDU- posing as somebody I really am not! God I love this board.
P.S. MCDU is a bitter east pilot but he has a fixation with America West
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Fellow Pilots of the Line, BPR, Officers, Committees and others:
This letter and all the issues are not about Hummel, DiOrio, the Past or Future. It is not about you or me it is about “US” every pilot at US Airways. It is about the “Fair & Equitable” treatment of each of US.
It seems like only yesterday we were hearing rumors of a merger with American. Later this week the BPR meets for what likely will be the last time before POR day. As the world continues to change will we adapt and thrive or continue to fight remaining stuck in the past.
In my 28 year career, I spent most of it watching from afar. I made the choice to watch closer for the last year and half, and it has been quite intriguing to say the least. It has not always been pretty, yet it is always pretty interesting as the personalities either interact or fail to.
It is said 10 percent of the people do 90 percent of the work. I am concerned that our current Union makeup is such that we face a situation where 90 percent of the mischief is done by 60 percent of the active 10 percent. I do believe this group will continue to hide behind the “Will of the Pilots” wall.
We are entering what I believe to be the biggest career setting time since the Tragedy of 9-11. Divided we will fall, united we can survive and thrive. I have had mentors along my flight path and I am thankful for them all. Here I will use the Braniff Pilots, whom I was fortunate enough to have shared their flight deck. As mergers began to populate the horizon, they made the statement concerning priorities and how to focus dealing with them. The statement was “Do not be concerned with the color of the uniform, remember from the flight deck you can’t see the color of the plane. Only be concerned with, is the color of the money green”.
While attending the most recent CLT meeting I heard a couple of statements made by different people. I would like to expand on the statements a bit.
One was a term “Negotiating Capital” this term can be used to describe money, time and energy. I strongly feel we should guide and allow our NAC the latitude to spend our “Negotiating Capital” in a manner that gives our pilots the greatest return on our investment. Negotiating does not equal Concession; it just means an interaction by the participating parties.
Another statement made and not the exact wording dealt with the what ifs of “Back Room Deals, Union Attorneys being on Company Bonus Plans, Hummel is not working for the Pilots and other speculative accusations. I feel the making of statements like this serve the pilots in no capacity except to raise the suspicions toward the duly elected President and was made by a duly elected BPR member. My question is “where is the proof’?
Then the statement was made to the effect; “DCA is preventing CLT & PHL from running this union, and we have the majority”. I believe once again all this does is anger the rank and file for the sake of agenda achievement. The movie trailers are playing, so look for the “The New Roll Call 6” to play in USAPA HQ soon. I wonder when Democracy will change to Dictatorship. After hearing some of the Founding Fathers speak, my interpretation of their intent was to form a more perfect Dictatorship from the beginning.
For the sake of discussion concerning DCA, would the eradication of DCA’s ability to have influence on its destiny be a DFR. Also if DCA is not allowed fair representation does this allow them to file for separate status in Negotiations? A BPR member stated “Why should about 280 pilots control us”. In my opinion we will, shortly hear APA say a mere “4200 pilots will not tell over 9000 pilots what to do “. Being in the majority is great until I am the minority. I think it might have been wise to treat the minority like I want to be treated,” when I join the minority”, just a thought. For some ego driven people they just feed their ego one meal at a time, with no regard to the possibility they could be the next meal.
I am not programed to carry hatred for any length of time, it takes too much time, energy and it sucks my life away. I hoped and prayed our union would not contain people who view the “Line Pilot” as “Collateral Damage “and would do anything necessary to satisfy a perceived injustice. I fear this is not the case currently in our union. I attend meetings expecting the business of representing the pilots to be conducted, yet witness almost total dysfunction. I have heard Paul DiOrio state “I will do whatever it takes to take Gary out”, also “Gary I have all day, I will throw rocks at you all Day”. Mr. DiOrio may be on FPL but neither I nor you my fellow pilot are. I do not believe spending our Union Dues for “Rock Throwing “is responsible action. In a Union where we are all to be treated equal, then where it concerns flight pay loss should it be “FPL for All or FPL for None”.
Here, I use Paul DiOrio, but the name can be changed to fit most all of the "Assassinate the President Team". I have watched them along the way, witnessed their outrage and anger. I think this fits Bob Frear, who resigned from the NAC, and then Hummel would not put him back on it, Courtney Borman who was removed from P4P and Paul DiOrio who was on NAC and removed by Hummel. Although many times it has been printed by my Reps “It is nothing personal, we just want the President to follow the rules” gentlemen I cannot read your print for watching your actions.
Let me state here I give my full appreciation to all who serve me and my fellow pilots. I admire the passion which they display, even if I feel they are off course. Mr. DiOrio displays a passion that I would love to see this pilot group infected with. So as you read this just pretend you are in a shoe store, if the shoe fits, wear it proudly.
A Person Who is Unhappy with Another's Success
"For many years, Paul DiOrio was the head of our Negotiating Advisory Committee. And guess what? During that time, nothing happened.
Well, almost nothing. Our wages and benefits got cut, management refused to negotiate with us and we were barred from striking.
DiOrio got fired as head of the NAC and guess what? Under new leadership, our NAC had a key role in negotiating the MOU which will gives us a substantial raise when the merger between AMR and USA goes through.
So DiOrio got himself elected as a BPR rep and is on a single-minded mission to undermine the man who fired him: Gary Hummel.
Hummel’s not perfect. No one is. But Doug Parker must think that Paul DiOrio is his number one friend. Instead of fighting the company, DiOrio is fighting other members of the union.
Hummel, as you probably know, had a heart attack and by-pass surgery. Now DiOrio spends most of his time attacking Hummel. He’s told some that he wants to recall Hummel. I myself have witnessed his attacks and statements as such.
How will that help us? Best thing for Doug Parker is when the union wastes time fighting among itself, instead of the company. Now APA will happily leave us on the side lines if all we are doing is (IN) fighting.
DiOrio reminds me of the guy in Billy Joel’s song “Angry Young Man”:
"And there's always a place for the angry young man With his fist in the air and his head in the sand He's never been able to learn from mistakes He can't understand why his heart always breaks His honor is pure, and his courage as well he's fair and he's true, and he's boring as hell And he'll go to his grave as an angry old man"
I remember growing up dealing with fellow children who had a mentality of,” if others have a toy and I cannot have it then destroy it”. Folks we are not children anymore, that mentality was wrong then and now. Do not envy another’s success,reveal in it, garnish hope from it and move on. We need to focus on the progress made, not who made it or takes credit for it.
When choosing between a “Leader who can be a Politician” and a “Politician who cannot Lead”. I will take the Leader. President Hummel throughout his term has displayed the ability and now the proof to get our pilot group to this POR on equal footing with APA. Even now as Hummel faces an impending recall this week, he focuses not on his physical nor political health; he chooses to focus on the wellbeing of the pilots he represents.
Yes, folks the blunt harsh reality is he is willing to give his LIFE for the pilots he represents. You might say it is “Ego” driven, was it Ego driven when he stood in a Check Airmen meeting and raised a flag on Fuel School? Or is it just who Hummel is, we judge by actions not words.
Politicians win Popularity contest, Leaders win wars. Which do you want going forward?
As Pilots when the chips are down, do you fly as a Leader or Politician?
Fellow Pilots in Closing let me say:
I Capt. Kirk Atkinson:
(a) wrote the above solely of my own free will and accord
( give full forwarding approval to all parties who read this and obtain this by any and all methods.
? stand by my statements and base them on what I have witnessed not by third party hearsay .
(d) realize while this correspondence may not win me any popularity contest, I live & die by it
(e) I enjoy flying, and see many birds along the way. I get to make the choice will I live like the type that flocks for protection or those that fly solo.
(f) Could we take an unofficial unbiased union survey, Eagles or Turkeys?
For me I can say” Very little congestion up here”.
To prevent having “Reply All” issues I sent this to the following under separate emails.
The: Officers, BPR, NAC, Grievance, Com, Attorneys if I have them, web boards as can, and others.
Capt. Kirk Atkinson A-320 CLT
Fellow Pilots of the Line, BPR, Officers, Committees and others:
This letter and all the issues are not about Hummel, DiOrio, the Past or Future. It is not about you or me it is about “US” every pilot at US Airways. It is about the “Fair & Equitable” treatment of each of US.
It seems like only yesterday we were hearing rumors of a merger with American. Later this week the BPR meets for what likely will be the last time before POR day. As the world continues to change will we adapt and thrive or continue to fight remaining stuck in the past.
In my 28 year career, I spent most of it watching from afar. I made the choice to watch closer for the last year and half, and it has been quite intriguing to say the least. It has not always been pretty, yet it is always pretty interesting as the personalities either interact or fail to.
It is said 10 percent of the people do 90 percent of the work. I am concerned that our current Union makeup is such that we face a situation where 90 percent of the mischief is done by 60 percent of the active 10 percent. I do believe this group will continue to hide behind the “Will of the Pilots” wall.
We are entering what I believe to be the biggest career setting time since the Tragedy of 9-11. Divided we will fall, united we can survive and thrive. I have had mentors along my flight path and I am thankful for them all. Here I will use the Braniff Pilots, whom I was fortunate enough to have shared their flight deck. As mergers began to populate the horizon, they made the statement concerning priorities and how to focus dealing with them. The statement was “Do not be concerned with the color of the uniform, remember from the flight deck you can’t see the color of the plane. Only be concerned with, is the color of the money green”.
While attending the most recent CLT meeting I heard a couple of statements made by different people. I would like to expand on the statements a bit.
One was a term “Negotiating Capital” this term can be used to describe money, time and energy. I strongly feel we should guide and allow our NAC the latitude to spend our “Negotiating Capital” in a manner that gives our pilots the greatest return on our investment. Negotiating does not equal Concession; it just means an interaction by the participating parties.
Another statement made and not the exact wording dealt with the what ifs of “Back Room Deals, Union Attorneys being on Company Bonus Plans, Hummel is not working for the Pilots and other speculative accusations. I feel the making of statements like this serve the pilots in no capacity except to raise the suspicions toward the duly elected President and was made by a duly elected BPR member. My question is “where is the proof’?
Then the statement was made to the effect; “DCA is preventing CLT & PHL from running this union, and we have the majority”. I believe once again all this does is anger the rank and file for the sake of agenda achievement. The movie trailers are playing, so look for the “The New Roll Call 6” to play in USAPA HQ soon. I wonder when Democracy will change to Dictatorship. After hearing some of the Founding Fathers speak, my interpretation of their intent was to form a more perfect Dictatorship from the beginning.
For the sake of discussion concerning DCA, would the eradication of DCA’s ability to have influence on its destiny be a DFR. Also if DCA is not allowed fair representation does this allow them to file for separate status in Negotiations? A BPR member stated “Why should about 280 pilots control us”. In my opinion we will, shortly hear APA say a mere “4200 pilots will not tell over 9000 pilots what to do “. Being in the majority is great until I am the minority. I think it might have been wise to treat the minority like I want to be treated,” when I join the minority”, just a thought. For some ego driven people they just feed their ego one meal at a time, with no regard to the possibility they could be the next meal.
I am not programed to carry hatred for any length of time, it takes too much time, energy and it sucks my life away. I hoped and prayed our union would not contain people who view the “Line Pilot” as “Collateral Damage “and would do anything necessary to satisfy a perceived injustice. I fear this is not the case currently in our union. I attend meetings expecting the business of representing the pilots to be conducted, yet witness almost total dysfunction. I have heard Paul DiOrio state “I will do whatever it takes to take Gary out”, also “Gary I have all day, I will throw rocks at you all Day”. Mr. DiOrio may be on FPL but neither I nor you my fellow pilot are. I do not believe spending our Union Dues for “Rock Throwing “is responsible action. In a Union where we are all to be treated equal, then where it concerns flight pay loss should it be “FPL for All or FPL for None”.
Here, I use Paul DiOrio, but the name can be changed to fit most all of the "Assassinate the President Team". I have watched them along the way, witnessed their outrage and anger. I think this fits Bob Frear, who resigned from the NAC, and then Hummel would not put him back on it, Courtney Borman who was removed from P4P and Paul DiOrio who was on NAC and removed by Hummel. Although many times it has been printed by my Reps “It is nothing personal, we just want the President to follow the rules” gentlemen I cannot read your print for watching your actions.
Let me state here I give my full appreciation to all who serve me and my fellow pilots. I admire the passion which they display, even if I feel they are off course. Mr. DiOrio displays a passion that I would love to see this pilot group infected with. So as you read this just pretend you are in a shoe store, if the shoe fits, wear it proudly.
A Person Who is Unhappy with Another's Success
"For many years, Paul DiOrio was the head of our Negotiating Advisory Committee. And guess what? During that time, nothing happened.
Well, almost nothing. Our wages and benefits got cut, management refused to negotiate with us and we were barred from striking.
DiOrio got fired as head of the NAC and guess what? Under new leadership, our NAC had a key role in negotiating the MOU which will gives us a substantial raise when the merger between AMR and USA goes through.
So DiOrio got himself elected as a BPR rep and is on a single-minded mission to undermine the man who fired him: Gary Hummel.
Hummel’s not perfect. No one is. But Doug Parker must think that Paul DiOrio is his number one friend. Instead of fighting the company, DiOrio is fighting other members of the union.
Hummel, as you probably know, had a heart attack and by-pass surgery. Now DiOrio spends most of his time attacking Hummel. He’s told some that he wants to recall Hummel. I myself have witnessed his attacks and statements as such.
How will that help us? Best thing for Doug Parker is when the union wastes time fighting among itself, instead of the company. Now APA will happily leave us on the side lines if all we are doing is (IN) fighting.
DiOrio reminds me of the guy in Billy Joel’s song “Angry Young Man”:
"And there's always a place for the angry young man With his fist in the air and his head in the sand He's never been able to learn from mistakes He can't understand why his heart always breaks His honor is pure, and his courage as well he's fair and he's true, and he's boring as hell And he'll go to his grave as an angry old man"
I remember growing up dealing with fellow children who had a mentality of,” if others have a toy and I cannot have it then destroy it”. Folks we are not children anymore, that mentality was wrong then and now. Do not envy another’s success,reveal in it, garnish hope from it and move on. We need to focus on the progress made, not who made it or takes credit for it.
When choosing between a “Leader who can be a Politician” and a “Politician who cannot Lead”. I will take the Leader. President Hummel throughout his term has displayed the ability and now the proof to get our pilot group to this POR on equal footing with APA. Even now as Hummel faces an impending recall this week, he focuses not on his physical nor political health; he chooses to focus on the wellbeing of the pilots he represents.
Yes, folks the blunt harsh reality is he is willing to give his LIFE for the pilots he represents. You might say it is “Ego” driven, was it Ego driven when he stood in a Check Airmen meeting and raised a flag on Fuel School? Or is it just who Hummel is, we judge by actions not words.
Politicians win Popularity contest, Leaders win wars. Which do you want going forward?
As Pilots when the chips are down, do you fly as a Leader or Politician?
Fellow Pilots in Closing let me say:
I Capt. Kirk Atkinson:
(a) wrote the above solely of my own free will and accord
( give full forwarding approval to all parties who read this and obtain this by any and all methods.
? stand by my statements and base them on what I have witnessed not by third party hearsay .
(d) realize while this correspondence may not win me any popularity contest, I live & die by it
(e) I enjoy flying, and see many birds along the way. I get to make the choice will I live like the type that flocks for protection or those that fly solo.
(f) Could we take an unofficial unbiased union survey, Eagles or Turkeys?
For me I can say” Very little congestion up here”.
To prevent having “Reply All” issues I sent this to the following under separate emails.
The: Officers, BPR, NAC, Grievance, Com, Attorneys if I have them, web boards as can, and others.
Capt. Kirk Atkinson A-320 CLT
St. Nic
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Fellow Pilots of the Line, BPR, Officers, Committees and others:
This letter and all the issues are not about Hummel, DiOrio, the Past or Future. It is not about you or me it is about ?US? every pilot at US Airways. It is about the ?Fair & Equitable? treatment of each of US.
It seems like only yesterday we were hearing rumors of a merger with American. Later this week the BPR meets for what likely will be the last time before POR day. As the world continues to change will we adapt and thrive or continue to fight remaining stuck in the past.
In my 28 year career, I spent most of it watching from afar. I made the choice to watch closer for the last year and half, and it has been quite intriguing to say the least. It has not always been pretty, yet it is always pretty interesting as the personalities either interact or fail to.
It is said 10 percent of the people do 90 percent of the work. I am concerned that our current Union makeup is such that we face a situation where 90 percent of the mischief is done by 60 percent of the active 10 percent. I do believe this group will continue to hide behind the ?Will of the Pilots? wall.
We are entering what I believe to be the biggest career setting time since the Tragedy of 9-11. Divided we will fall, united we can survive and thrive. I have had mentors along my flight path and I am thankful for them all. Here I will use the Braniff Pilots, whom I was fortunate enough to have shared their flight deck. As mergers began to populate the horizon, they made the statement concerning priorities and how to focus dealing with them. The statement was ?Do not be concerned with the color of the uniform, remember from the flight deck you can?t see the color of the plane. Only be concerned with, is the color of the money green?.
While attending the most recent CLT meeting I heard a couple of statements made by different people. I would like to expand on the statements a bit.
One was a term ?Negotiating Capital? this term can be used to describe money, time and energy. I strongly feel we should guide and allow our NAC the latitude to spend our ?Negotiating Capital? in a manner that gives our pilots the greatest return on our investment. Negotiating does not equal Concession; it just means an interaction by the participating parties.
Another statement made and not the exact wording dealt with the what ifs of ?Back Room Deals, Union Attorneys being on Company Bonus Plans, Hummel is not working for the Pilots and other speculative accusations. I feel the making of statements like this serve the pilots in no capacity except to raise the suspicions toward the duly elected President and was made by a duly elected BPR member. My question is ?where is the proof??
Then the statement was made to the effect; ?DCA is preventing CLT & PHL from running this union, and we have the majority?. I believe once again all this does is anger the rank and file for the sake of agenda achievement. The movie trailers are playing, so look for the ?The New Roll Call 6? to play in USAPA HQ soon. I wonder when Democracy will change to Dictatorship. After hearing some of the Founding Fathers speak, my interpretation of their intent was to form a more perfect Dictatorship from the beginning.
For the sake of discussion concerning DCA, would the eradication of DCA?s ability to have influence on its destiny be a DFR. Also if DCA is not allowed fair representation does this allow them to file for separate status in Negotiations? A BPR member stated ?Why should about 280 pilots control us?. In my opinion we will, shortly hear APA say a mere ?4200 pilots will not tell over 9000 pilots what to do ?. Being in the majority is great until I am the minority. I think it might have been wise to treat the minority like I want to be treated,? when I join the minority?, just a thought. For some ego driven people they just feed their ego one meal at a time, with no regard to the possibility they could be the next meal.
I am not programed to carry hatred for any length of time, it takes too much time, energy and it sucks my life away. I hoped and prayed our union would not contain people who view the ?Line Pilot? as ?Collateral Damage ?and would do anything necessary to satisfy a perceived injustice. I fear this is not the case currently in our union. I attend meetings expecting the business of representing the pilots to be conducted, yet witness almost total dysfunction. I have heard Paul DiOrio state ?I will do whatever it takes to take Gary out?, also ?Gary I have all day, I will throw rocks at you all Day?. Mr. DiOrio may be on FPL but neither I nor you my fellow pilot are. I do not believe spending our Union Dues for ?Rock Throwing ?is responsible action. In a Union where we are all to be treated equal, then where it concerns flight pay loss should it be ?FPL for All or FPL for None?.
Here, I use Paul DiOrio, but the name can be changed to fit most all of the "Assassinate the President Team". I have watched them along the way, witnessed their outrage and anger. I think this fits Bob Frear, who resigned from the NAC, and then Hummel would not put him back on it, Courtney Borman who was removed from P4P and Paul DiOrio who was on NAC and removed by Hummel. Although many times it has been printed by my Reps ?It is nothing personal, we just want the President to follow the rules? gentlemen I cannot read your print for watching your actions.
Let me state here I give my full appreciation to all who serve me and my fellow pilots. I admire the passion which they display, even if I feel they are off course. Mr. DiOrio displays a passion that I would love to see this pilot group infected with. So as you read this just pretend you are in a shoe store, if the shoe fits, wear it proudly.
A Person Who is Unhappy with Another's Success
"For many years, Paul DiOrio was the head of our Negotiating Advisory Committee. And guess what? During that time, nothing happened.
Well, almost nothing. Our wages and benefits got cut, management refused to negotiate with us and we were barred from striking.
DiOrio got fired as head of the NAC and guess what? Under new leadership, our NAC had a key role in negotiating the MOU which will gives us a substantial raise when the merger between AMR and USA goes through.
So DiOrio got himself elected as a BPR rep and is on a single-minded mission to undermine the man who fired him: Gary Hummel.
Hummel?s not perfect. No one is. But Doug Parker must think that Paul DiOrio is his number one friend. Instead of fighting the company, DiOrio is fighting other members of the union.
Hummel, as you probably know, had a heart attack and by-pass surgery. Now DiOrio spends most of his time attacking Hummel. He?s told some that he wants to recall Hummel. I myself have witnessed his attacks and statements as such.
How will that help us? Best thing for Doug Parker is when the union wastes time fighting among itself, instead of the company. Now APA will happily leave us on the side lines if all we are doing is (IN) fighting.
DiOrio reminds me of the guy in Billy Joel?s song ?Angry Young Man?:
"And there's always a place for the angry young man With his fist in the air and his head in the sand He's never been able to learn from mistakes He can't understand why his heart always breaks His honor is pure, and his courage as well he's fair and he's true, and he's boring as hell And he'll go to his grave as an angry old man"
I remember growing up dealing with fellow children who had a mentality of,? if others have a toy and I cannot have it then destroy it?. Folks we are not children anymore, that mentality was wrong then and now. Do not envy another?s success,reveal in it, garnish hope from it and move on. We need to focus on the progress made, not who made it or takes credit for it.
When choosing between a ?Leader who can be a Politician? and a ?Politician who cannot Lead?. I will take the Leader. President Hummel throughout his term has displayed the ability and now the proof to get our pilot group to this POR on equal footing with APA. Even now as Hummel faces an impending recall this week, he focuses not on his physical nor political health; he chooses to focus on the wellbeing of the pilots he represents.
Yes, folks the blunt harsh reality is he is willing to give his LIFE for the pilots he represents. You might say it is ?Ego? driven, was it Ego driven when he stood in a Check Airmen meeting and raised a flag on Fuel School? Or is it just who Hummel is, we judge by actions not words.
Politicians win Popularity contest, Leaders win wars. Which do you want going forward?
As Pilots when the chips are down, do you fly as a Leader or Politician?
Fellow Pilots in Closing let me say:
I Capt. Kirk Atkinson:
(a) wrote the above solely of my own free will and accord
( give full forwarding approval to all parties who read this and obtain this by any and all methods.
? stand by my statements and base them on what I have witnessed not by third party hearsay .
(d) realize while this correspondence may not win me any popularity contest, I live & die by it
(e) I enjoy flying, and see many birds along the way. I get to make the choice will I live like the type that flocks for protection or those that fly solo.
(f) Could we take an unofficial unbiased union survey, Eagles or Turkeys?
For me I can say? Very little congestion up here?.
To prevent having ?Reply All? issues I sent this to the following under separate emails.
The: Officers, BPR, NAC, Grievance, Com, Attorneys if I have them, web boards as can, and others.
Capt. Kirk Atkinson A-320 CLT
Fellow Pilots of the Line, BPR, Officers, Committees and others:
This letter and all the issues are not about Hummel, DiOrio, the Past or Future. It is not about you or me it is about ?US? every pilot at US Airways. It is about the ?Fair & Equitable? treatment of each of US.
It seems like only yesterday we were hearing rumors of a merger with American. Later this week the BPR meets for what likely will be the last time before POR day. As the world continues to change will we adapt and thrive or continue to fight remaining stuck in the past.
In my 28 year career, I spent most of it watching from afar. I made the choice to watch closer for the last year and half, and it has been quite intriguing to say the least. It has not always been pretty, yet it is always pretty interesting as the personalities either interact or fail to.
It is said 10 percent of the people do 90 percent of the work. I am concerned that our current Union makeup is such that we face a situation where 90 percent of the mischief is done by 60 percent of the active 10 percent. I do believe this group will continue to hide behind the ?Will of the Pilots? wall.
We are entering what I believe to be the biggest career setting time since the Tragedy of 9-11. Divided we will fall, united we can survive and thrive. I have had mentors along my flight path and I am thankful for them all. Here I will use the Braniff Pilots, whom I was fortunate enough to have shared their flight deck. As mergers began to populate the horizon, they made the statement concerning priorities and how to focus dealing with them. The statement was ?Do not be concerned with the color of the uniform, remember from the flight deck you can?t see the color of the plane. Only be concerned with, is the color of the money green?.
While attending the most recent CLT meeting I heard a couple of statements made by different people. I would like to expand on the statements a bit.
One was a term ?Negotiating Capital? this term can be used to describe money, time and energy. I strongly feel we should guide and allow our NAC the latitude to spend our ?Negotiating Capital? in a manner that gives our pilots the greatest return on our investment. Negotiating does not equal Concession; it just means an interaction by the participating parties.
Another statement made and not the exact wording dealt with the what ifs of ?Back Room Deals, Union Attorneys being on Company Bonus Plans, Hummel is not working for the Pilots and other speculative accusations. I feel the making of statements like this serve the pilots in no capacity except to raise the suspicions toward the duly elected President and was made by a duly elected BPR member. My question is ?where is the proof??
Then the statement was made to the effect; ?DCA is preventing CLT & PHL from running this union, and we have the majority?. I believe once again all this does is anger the rank and file for the sake of agenda achievement. The movie trailers are playing, so look for the ?The New Roll Call 6? to play in USAPA HQ soon. I wonder when Democracy will change to Dictatorship. After hearing some of the Founding Fathers speak, my interpretation of their intent was to form a more perfect Dictatorship from the beginning.
For the sake of discussion concerning DCA, would the eradication of DCA?s ability to have influence on its destiny be a DFR. Also if DCA is not allowed fair representation does this allow them to file for separate status in Negotiations? A BPR member stated ?Why should about 280 pilots control us?. In my opinion we will, shortly hear APA say a mere ?4200 pilots will not tell over 9000 pilots what to do ?. Being in the majority is great until I am the minority. I think it might have been wise to treat the minority like I want to be treated,? when I join the minority?, just a thought. For some ego driven people they just feed their ego one meal at a time, with no regard to the possibility they could be the next meal.
I am not programed to carry hatred for any length of time, it takes too much time, energy and it sucks my life away. I hoped and prayed our union would not contain people who view the ?Line Pilot? as ?Collateral Damage ?and would do anything necessary to satisfy a perceived injustice. I fear this is not the case currently in our union. I attend meetings expecting the business of representing the pilots to be conducted, yet witness almost total dysfunction. I have heard Paul DiOrio state ?I will do whatever it takes to take Gary out?, also ?Gary I have all day, I will throw rocks at you all Day?. Mr. DiOrio may be on FPL but neither I nor you my fellow pilot are. I do not believe spending our Union Dues for ?Rock Throwing ?is responsible action. In a Union where we are all to be treated equal, then where it concerns flight pay loss should it be ?FPL for All or FPL for None?.
Here, I use Paul DiOrio, but the name can be changed to fit most all of the "Assassinate the President Team". I have watched them along the way, witnessed their outrage and anger. I think this fits Bob Frear, who resigned from the NAC, and then Hummel would not put him back on it, Courtney Borman who was removed from P4P and Paul DiOrio who was on NAC and removed by Hummel. Although many times it has been printed by my Reps ?It is nothing personal, we just want the President to follow the rules? gentlemen I cannot read your print for watching your actions.
Let me state here I give my full appreciation to all who serve me and my fellow pilots. I admire the passion which they display, even if I feel they are off course. Mr. DiOrio displays a passion that I would love to see this pilot group infected with. So as you read this just pretend you are in a shoe store, if the shoe fits, wear it proudly.
A Person Who is Unhappy with Another's Success
"For many years, Paul DiOrio was the head of our Negotiating Advisory Committee. And guess what? During that time, nothing happened.
Well, almost nothing. Our wages and benefits got cut, management refused to negotiate with us and we were barred from striking.
DiOrio got fired as head of the NAC and guess what? Under new leadership, our NAC had a key role in negotiating the MOU which will gives us a substantial raise when the merger between AMR and USA goes through.
So DiOrio got himself elected as a BPR rep and is on a single-minded mission to undermine the man who fired him: Gary Hummel.
Hummel?s not perfect. No one is. But Doug Parker must think that Paul DiOrio is his number one friend. Instead of fighting the company, DiOrio is fighting other members of the union.
Hummel, as you probably know, had a heart attack and by-pass surgery. Now DiOrio spends most of his time attacking Hummel. He?s told some that he wants to recall Hummel. I myself have witnessed his attacks and statements as such.
How will that help us? Best thing for Doug Parker is when the union wastes time fighting among itself, instead of the company. Now APA will happily leave us on the side lines if all we are doing is (IN) fighting.
DiOrio reminds me of the guy in Billy Joel?s song ?Angry Young Man?:
"And there's always a place for the angry young man With his fist in the air and his head in the sand He's never been able to learn from mistakes He can't understand why his heart always breaks His honor is pure, and his courage as well he's fair and he's true, and he's boring as hell And he'll go to his grave as an angry old man"
I remember growing up dealing with fellow children who had a mentality of,? if others have a toy and I cannot have it then destroy it?. Folks we are not children anymore, that mentality was wrong then and now. Do not envy another?s success,reveal in it, garnish hope from it and move on. We need to focus on the progress made, not who made it or takes credit for it.
When choosing between a ?Leader who can be a Politician? and a ?Politician who cannot Lead?. I will take the Leader. President Hummel throughout his term has displayed the ability and now the proof to get our pilot group to this POR on equal footing with APA. Even now as Hummel faces an impending recall this week, he focuses not on his physical nor political health; he chooses to focus on the wellbeing of the pilots he represents.
Yes, folks the blunt harsh reality is he is willing to give his LIFE for the pilots he represents. You might say it is ?Ego? driven, was it Ego driven when he stood in a Check Airmen meeting and raised a flag on Fuel School? Or is it just who Hummel is, we judge by actions not words.
Politicians win Popularity contest, Leaders win wars. Which do you want going forward?
As Pilots when the chips are down, do you fly as a Leader or Politician?
Fellow Pilots in Closing let me say:
I Capt. Kirk Atkinson:
(a) wrote the above solely of my own free will and accord
( give full forwarding approval to all parties who read this and obtain this by any and all methods.
? stand by my statements and base them on what I have witnessed not by third party hearsay .
(d) realize while this correspondence may not win me any popularity contest, I live & die by it
(e) I enjoy flying, and see many birds along the way. I get to make the choice will I live like the type that flocks for protection or those that fly solo.
(f) Could we take an unofficial unbiased union survey, Eagles or Turkeys?
For me I can say? Very little congestion up here?.
To prevent having ?Reply All? issues I sent this to the following under separate emails.
The: Officers, BPR, NAC, Grievance, Com, Attorneys if I have them, web boards as can, and others.
Capt. Kirk Atkinson A-320 CLT
It's only taken him six years to see what was patently obvious the day ****************************** was born in a van down by the river. Real men of genius.
You've been warned by six Federal Judges that what you're attempting to do is Arbitrary, Discriminatory, and in Bad faith...the legal definition of a failure of DFR and illegitimate union purpose. Silver told you that you were on dangerous ground and even gave you another opportunity to negotiate a settlement with the West. You gave everybody the finger. This isn't going to end well for you.
"Arbitrary, Discriminatory, Bad Faith" I can't think of 4 other words in the English Language that so perfectly sum up ******************************. You've wasted a full third of your career on your little temper tantrum. You're getting the Nic, you're losing control of MB, and the APA is going to crush your fake union and the scabs like you that occupy it. You Eastholes are the Scum of the Earth and you've deserved every bad thing that's happened to you in the past, and you've earned every bit of the misery headed your way. A Greater example of utter failure one will not find.
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St. Nic
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You don't know Kirk. He's an assert to this pilot group.
I consider myself a moderate and hate some of the hard core Cleary lovers like mcdu. But what galvanized the east was the senile old man named George Nicolau and the rest is history. Kirk has reason and he doesn't act without thinking. As you can see he writes very well. Much better than me but I agree with what he says. Look the pilots at us air need to fond some common ground and quick. That's what a three way will do for us. Let's try this again. If everybody is angry after the next SLI then you know it was fair. The Nic is not fair at all- that's how I see it. And from what I have heard American feels the same way. We will see what happebs
Here's what I know about American. They're not even going to show up to SLI until the East West thing is done. Their attorney has made it crystal clear that they aren't touching a DFR that they're going to inherit with a 10' pole. When the company's merger starts hitting snags like this, I'd expect Parker to stop playing his "Neutral" charade.
There isn't a do over. There isn't a second bite at the apple. You're losing control and the self hostage taking is going to end. Your career was rescued by America West. Probably stings a little to know that but you know without question that it's a true statement. Nicolau knew that too. You're hopelessly furloughed first officers will not be senior to line holding captains.
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Mcdu is a Cleary disciple who was kicked off boards. He's angry and hates the rational Usapa thinkers. His buddy now a CLT rep is forbidden from entering the training center and talking to new hires. Mcdu will say anything and do anything to sabotage people who disagree with him. 8 years left and he's gone.
Mcdu get a life. You're politics are repulsive
Mcdu get a life. You're politics are repulsive
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