Mindset of the typical US Airways east pilot?

[St. Nic]

Anderson is innocent! I applaud him for saying what all of us think. The man has guts and courage!

 

[Dan Roman]

Anderson is innocent! I applaud him for saying what all of us think. The man has guts and courage!

And if you disagree he 'll kill you!
Nic, dude, you have done as much as anyone to make a case for just how out to lunch the whole USAPA debacle has been. I 'm glad to see it get put to bed. I know a lot of good people on the east side and they have been royally hosed by the USAPA agenda. Unfortunately they go into this merger with one hand tied behind their back due to USAPA. At least they will get a new start and put the USAPA sinkhole that had them permanently stuck in the mud behind them.

 

[St. Nic]

Usapa has killed the Nic. 98%. Ask a westie what that means!

Alpo no moe

No Nic

Usapa is a huge sucess

 

[Flybywire44]

There has been not one PEEP of objection to the continued waste of money by USAPA on legal fees to perpetuate the civil war with the west. That is tacit approval and the election results have consistently been to have more of the same.

If you had a group, no matter how small, who would stand up for the power of unity in a union and try to wrest power from the AFO club, then perhaps your argument would have some merit. That group, when combined with the west could have leveraged their power and overcome the USAPA juggernaut, secured real benefits for all the pilots and put us in a much stronger position coming into a merger.

Whether you want to believe it or not, the people the east allowed to run the show have hobbled this pilot group to the point where the US pilots are little more than observers, unable to affect any real influence over their destinies. The MOU was a rubber stamp to what APA wanted and a NO vote would not have given the US pilots any chance to improve the MOU. So the only other choice was a YES, more like YES, PLEASE.

You cannot distance yourself from the monster you created. But you can take responsibility and rehabilitate the monster by removing the children in office and replacing them with progressive, practical and pragmatic leaders willing to work WITH folks to IMPROVE the careers of ALL PILOTS.

Sure I can, because I'm not an East pilot.

...

I'm not feeding this thread anymore.

 

[waveflyer]

Usapa has killed the Nic. 98%. Ask a westie what that means!

Alpo no moe

No Nic

Usapa is a huge sucess

Get it through your head and soul flyer

You do not vacate an award by changing representation anymore than you could kill someone brutally, get sentenced to death and vacate the sentence by changing lawyers.

Usapa is ridiculous dumb.

I don't judge wanting a better SLI for yourself, the methods and tactics are outside of stupid

 

[waveflyer]

And by outside of stupid I mean
There is genius, brilliant, intelligent, smart,sensible, average, passing, failing, dumb, stupid, stupider, stupider-er, stewpuhd, then 10 clicks beyond is USAPA

Just so we're clear

This false divided union has hurt the industry for far too long

 

[St. Nic]

Get it through your head and soul flyer

You do not vacate an award by changing representation anymore than you could kill someone brutally, get sentenced to death and vacate the sentence by changing lawyers.

Usapa is ridiculous dumb.

I don't judge wanting a better SLI for yourself, the methods and tactics are outside of stupid

Wide range of reasonableness

Internal union process

Nic is doa.

Get it thru your thick skull westie

No lottery ticket

 

[St. Nic]

One more thing. The APA doesn't want anything to do with the Nic. They hate it. They want to bury it. Nobody is on your side! Should have taken the 9 advise and negotiate with the union. At least you could have got something g besides furloughs and downgrades. I don't feel sorry for yiu though you deserve it

 

[waveflyer]

I'm southwest GEORGE -
No dog in the fight

But I do recognize stupid

As for APA-
You sure about that?
You probably are.
Then again that is the crux isn't it? AAA being 110% cocksure about things they are wrong about

 

[St. Nic]

Ok let me see if I get your logic. You don't even work here but you know I'm wrong about APA. Wow. Your a genius.
I think you gave AirTran a bad deal. Figured have a glass house

 

[waveflyer]

I do.
I'd tell you who my people are over at Amon Carter Blvd but they'd be pretty disappointed with my wasting time on FI. They'd also tell you lock step legally with the folks at hwy 360 South that the combined usair list that will be integrated with APA is te binding nic award.
To not do so opens AMR to far more litigation than the east can throw-
And in their words-
"Is the right thing anyway"

And I'll also say I was wrong on one account-
We ALL as an industry have a dog in this fight.
In 2007, instead of accepting the Nic and accepting MUCH NEEDED contractual gains the rest of us could pattern bargain off of- you took your stand on what is easily the worst major airline contract in history.
Quickly age 65 and a melted global economy saw the opportunity for such contractual gains disappear overnight
Now it's 2013- we as pilots are gainin leverage. your feud is as embedded as ever- and we as an industry have made far too little progress in keeping up with inflation.

The question I have for every east pilot is how much longer?

You are UNDERCUTTING yourselves most of all, but you Are ALSO UNDERCUTTING ALL OF THE REST OF US.

How long before you admit you have failed?
And please know this- if you were magically awarded date if hire today- you still lost
We ALL LOST

 

[Bringupthebird]

Wide range of reasonableness

Internal union process

Nic is doa.

Get it thru your thick skull westie

No lottery ticket

Reasonableness is for negotiations. The moose out front shoulda told ya. You bungled that and the Nic is what you got and what was accepted (and paid for) by the company. Had the bubba brigade formed USAPA prior to negotiations, then you might have an argument worth making. But, yadidn't.

Choosing sides and representing one at the expense of the other is not an internal union process. It's a overripe DFR.

The east has not done much to gain support from any pilot group, much less the APA. They will want to follow the M-B process to a T to avoid the crippling litigation that USAPA thrives on. The punks that ginned up their playschool union so that their bad behavior would be rewarded with stolen upgrades will not find any kindred spirits in the APA. Only alienation and isolation, rightly earned.

The east will forever be tarred (and re-tarred, I'm sure you understand) with the stain of what they have done to their fellow pilots at US and throughout the industry.

But I am confident that you are not a pilot for US, merely someone with a bizarre desire to participate in the feces fling with borrowed feces.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Sure I can, because I'm not an East pilot.

Fair enough.

 

[St. Nic]

I do.
I'd tell you who my people are over at Amon Carter Blvd but they'd be pretty disappointed with my wasting time on FI. They'd also tell you lock step legally with the folks at hwy 360 South that the combined usair list that will be integrated with APA is te binding nic award.
To not do so opens AMR to far more litigation than the east can throw-
And in their words-
"Is the right thing anyway"

And I'll also say I was wrong on one account-
We ALL as an industry have a dog in this fight.
In 2007, instead of accepting the Nic and accepting MUCH NEEDED contractual gains the rest of us could pattern bargain off of- you took your stand on what is easily the worst major airline contract in history.
Quickly age 65 and a melted global economy saw the opportunity for such contractual gains disappear overnight
Now it's 2013- we as pilots are gainin leverage. your feud is as embedded as ever- and we as an industry have made far too little progress in keeping up with inflation.

The question I have for every east pilot is how much longer?

You are UNDERCUTTING yourselves most of all, but you Are ALSO UNDERCUTTING ALL OF THE REST OF US.

How long before you admit you have failed?
And please know this- if you were magically awarded date if hire today- you still lost
We ALL LOST

APA has no business in what list US Airways pilots use! That belongs to USAPA and only USAPA. Its an internal union process that is at the sole discretion of USAPA and nobody else.
You cant tell me that APA even wants the nicolau. look how devistating it is! Maybe a few AA pilots would want it but the majority I talk to on the jumpseat say they want nothing to do with the nicolau

 

[MCDU]

St. loser is a west pilot. How gullible are you Folks on this board.
Grow up, it's getting old.

M

Originally Posted by St. Nic
East pilots had one of the best jobs in the industry, they had pilots leaving UAL, AMR and LUV to go to work there. AAA was an envy of the industry for many years, now the AWA pilots had a chance to feel some of that and they ruined it with their super-seniority demands.

There- I just did a MCDU- posing as somebody I really am not! God I love this board.

P.S. MCDU is a bitter east pilot but he has a fixation with America West