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A guy 923 hours total flight time on his resume, 321 ME time, puts down he has 255 PIC in a KA-90? Legal under part 61, sure. How many insurance companies covered this pilot as PIC without a tremendous low time rider? How many command decisions did this pilot make? An airline interviewer will look at this as BS PIC time in every case. You are not the PIC in the eyes of anyone.

but none of that means that he isn't a better pilot than the F15 fighter jock that gets hired at the airline with 1500 hours

anyone who has done hiring in this business knows that the logbook is virtually meaningless when it comes time to train and it comes time to go out and fly
 
A guy 923 hours total flight time on his resume, 321 ME time, puts down he has 255 PIC in a KA-90? Legal under part 61, sure. How many insurance companies covered this pilot as PIC without a tremendous low time rider? How many command decisions did this pilot make? An airline interviewer will look at this as BS PIC time in every case. You are not the PIC in the eyes of anyone.

With a low time guy, I can't completely agree or disagree with you. But with a guy that's been unfortunate enough for seniority to pin him in the SIC position for 15 years while he supervises old guys like you and teaches the Captain more about climb gradients in Aspen and stops the Captain from killing them both in a regular basis, then in that case I would say he has made quite a few command decisions. An "SIC" logging "PIC" in the left seat on passenger legs has been "allowed" to do so because he earned the respect of the person who signed for the aircraft who knows that they are equally qualified to do so. I'm guessing you would just make him work the radios though because you are the man.
 
With a low time guy, I can't completely agree or disagree with you. But with a guy that's been unfortunate enough for seniority to pin him in the SIC position for 15 years while he supervises old guys like you and teaches the Captain more about climb gradients in Aspen and stops the Captain from killing them both in a regular basis, then in that case I would say he has made quite a few command decisions. An "SIC" logging "PIC" in the left seat on passenger legs has been "allowed" to do so because he earned the respect of the person who signed for the aircraft who knows that they are equally qualified to do so. I'm guessing you would just make him work the radios though because you are the man.

FYI most employers, especially airlines will only count PIC time if you actually signed for the aircraft. It's isn't in any regs it's just what the company's want as a requirement .
 
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FYI most employers, especially airlines will only count PIC time if you actually signed for the aircraft. It's isn't in any regs it's just what the company's want as a requirement .

Thanks, that's why we are discussing that short sightedness on this Wheels Up thread today.
 
With a low time guy, I can't completely agree or disagree with you. But with a guy that's been unfortunate enough for seniority to pin him in the SIC position for 15 years while he supervises old guys like you and teaches the Captain more about climb gradients in Aspen and stops the Captain from killing them both in a regular basis, then in that case I would say he has made quite a few command decisions. An "SIC" logging "PIC" in the left seat on passenger legs has been "allowed" to do so because he earned the respect of the person who signed for the aircraft who knows that they are equally qualified to do so. I'm guessing you would just make him work the radios though because you are the man.
What are you talking about? We were talking about a very low time showing PIC in an airplane by doing the Part 61 thing going through an interview pertending they were a PIC. BTW: I don't think you have flown with me, but I spend most of my time as PM.
 
anyone who has done hiring in this business knows that the logbook is virtually meaningless when it comes time to train and it comes time to go out and fly
ditto that, but the chances are the F15 fighter jock will have a much higher probability of successful completion of training. The F-15 guy has some real PIC time. Plus he is in a constant training cycle. He has been screend well beyond the average civilian pilot and faced a far more stringent a elimination program. BTW the USAF flight time forms may be a bit more accurate than other ways of logging flight time.
 
Curious...what is the flight time of an F15 fighter pilot when they come out...on average?

Serious question...include trainers...
 
Curious...what is the flight time of an F15 fighter pilot when they come out...on average?

Serious question...include trainers...
Along the same lines. I got a resume a few year back from a USAF EC-135 pilots, he had 1200 hours total time, he had been in 10 years. I hear F/A-18 pilots are getting about 12 hours a month when not deployed.
 
Thanks Yip! Number sounds reasonable...
Things change I came out of my first squadron tour in 1971 with over 2000 hours, 700 of that came in six months flying around Vietnam. But then over the next 6 years I only got another 700 hours. I would imanine that those flying in support of Iraq or Afghanistan also see those kinds of numbers.
 

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