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Newkem said:
Sorry cant sift this thread for the info but : question -

Where to send a resume? Anyone have hiring process gouge?

Thanks.
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Climbto350 has an ad with link to apply...
 
BlueNose said:
Um, the 350i has 55 cu ft of interior, accessible baggage space (+ wing lockers) and a separate flushable lav with sink. And it'll haul 8 pax and bags with a full load of gas. The hauling capacity beats most super-mid bizjets, if that's what you're looking for.

http://www.beechcraft.com/beechcraft/king_air_350i/assets/documents/Beech_350i_Brochure.pdf


Yes, it's still a turboprop, so it has the image issue to overcome. But for short regional ops it's as quick as a jet and can get in and out of more places. I have no idea about Wheels up's pricing compared to the charter market. Looks like he's trying to offer a frax-like product, and attach a frax-like premium. I think it's a niche market and don't know if it will support a company, but the 350's a capable bird for the right profile.
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Thats cool if you are a "1 Percenter" and bouncing along at FL220 with 8 of your closest buddies is your thing. :erm:

Now if all you do is fly back and forth to The Vinyaaahd or to go short distances, heck yea this makes sense.

Good luck to all!
 
Newkem said:
Thats cool if you are a "1 Percenter" and bouncing along at FL220 with 8 of your closest buddies is your thing. :erm:

Now if all you do is fly back and forth to The Vinyaaahd or to go short distances, heck yea this makes sense.

Good luck to all!
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Isn't the KA350 rated up to FL350?
 
Newkem said:
Is it? If so under what conditions can it cruise at FL350? I don't doubt it is a capable aircraft but it is exactly what it is.
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With a cabin altitude of 11,000', after 2 drinks, grandma will be sawing logs.
 
Newkem said:
Is it? If so under what conditions can it cruise at FL350? I don't doubt it is a capable aircraft but it is exactly what it is.
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The sweet spot for the B350 is FL270-FL290. I used to either fly VFR at 16/17500, or went up to 27-290. That said, I have cruised at FL350. I don't remember how long it was before I went up since it was a long time ago, but I did fly non-stop KSNS-KSBN on that leg. What I remember most is the headache I got from many hours in the 10K+ foot cabin. It's a very capable airplane, and a heck of a lot of fun to fly, but FL350 and Cross-country cruiser are not exactly in it's wheelhouse. That said, Popping up to FL350 to get over weather is certainly possible unless you're carrying a big load and have enough fuel to go a long way. Sorry, CRS prevents me from being more specific.
 
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johnsonrod said:
Any idea on how many former Avantair pilots have been picked up by WU? What's the mix of newhires looking like?
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About five former VNR guys have been hired over there. All real good guys to fly with too.
 
Newkem said:
Thats cool if you are a "1 Percenter" and bouncing along at FL220 with 8 of your closest buddies is your thing. :erm:

Now if all you do is fly back and forth to The Vinyaaahd or to go short distances, heck yea this makes sense.

Good luck to all!
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Dude, you're responding to a post from almost 2 months ago? Just come off an extended bender? And I don't quite see the point. I was disagreeing with a poster who was talking like the 350 was an old 90. Never said it's the plane to take TEB-PBI. I believe I said it's suited for hauling a load and in short, regional ops, and a capable bird for the right profile. Cheers.
 
Dichter was on Squawk Box ..( again). Trying to sell himself and his company ...yet again...yawn.....

If I remember correctly, he said something about 10,000 "members" by 2020... Break even was 2200 members...

The Cessna guy looked about as thrilled to be there as a guy getting a circumcision at the age of 40... How Kenny getS anybody to listen to him is beyond me... Can't get beyond the used car salesman persona.......

Anyone else still think Kenny left NJA voluntarily?
 
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Ya know what I think?

BentOver said:
Dichter was on Squawk Box ..( again). Trying to sell himself and his company ...yet again...yawn.....

If I remember correctly, he said something about 10,000 "members" by 2020... Break even was 2200 members...

The Cessna guy looked about as thrilled to be there as a guy getting a circumcision at the age of 40... How Kenny getS anybody to listen to him is beyond me... Can't get beyond the used car salesman persona.......
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I know, right? Earnest looked like he was dragged into the studio by the scrotum.

ANYWAY - ya know what I think? This was a play to pit Cessna against Netjets once again.

Now NetJets has a reason to cancel the Latitude orders. Anybody remember the CJ3 order cancellations? Standby for more.
 
Newkem said:
Is it? If so under what conditions can it cruise at FL350? I don't doubt it is a capable aircraft but it is exactly what it is.
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Like the P180, I suspect it needs to be at least three hours into a flight before it will accelerate beyond climb speed. If the cabin altitude is 11K, it makes it kind of moot for a Part 135 flight.

The P180 is certified to FL410, but it likes FL330-370 much better, even at lower weights. Cabin altitude, however, is not a problem with a 9.3 Delta P.
 
Newkem said:
Now NetJets has a reason to cancel the Latitude orders. Anybody remember the CJ3 order cancellations? Standby for more.
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This is like watching hollywood stars divorce and remarry. How many spouses has Cessna had so far? More than Hugh Heffner it seems.

Lets see, QS, CS and now WU. Oh yea and that affair with JS and that one night stand with AS (and what a nice AS). Wonder how long this one will last?

Wheels Up By Cessna. Congratulations newlyweds. Long may you run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYna-UAt75c
 
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Wow - did not expect that with the Citations. Is Dichter filling in for Citationair? Obviously those pilots should be targeted for hire as CA winds down. First Avantair shuts down and he starts the King Air operation. Now CA is winding down and he steps in again. He sounds very opportunistic.

Any mention of numbers of XLS and Sovereigns on order? Are they the new Sovereigns or used C680 aircraft? Is he taking on used Citationair aircraft? I didn't see any numbers offered.

Interesting times....
 
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rettofly said:
Like the P180, I suspect it needs to be at least three hours into a flight before it will accelerate beyond climb speed. If the cabin altitude is 11K, it makes it kind of moot for a Part 135 flight.
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Nope, no need to wait to climb in a 350, and the cabin pressure is not 11k either, i seem to remember it barely tickling 10...

...That said, i can count on one hand the times I went that high in 10 years flying them in the 135 world. And everytime was to clear weather, then went right back down to the high 20's for the speed ;)
 
Safetycheck said:
This is like watching hollywood stars divorce and remarry. How many spouses has Cessna had so far? More than Hugh Heffner it seems.

Lets see, QS, CS and now WU. Oh yea and that affair with JS and that one night stand with AS (and what a nice AS). Wonder how long this one will last?

Wheels Up By Cessna. Congratulations newlyweds. Long may you run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYna-UAt75c
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Ha! Ooh and that close encounter threesome with LX AND CW that didn't quite consummate for logistical reasons - couldn't keep it up I guess. Kenn with two Nn's kinda a buzzkill.
 
johnsonrod said:
Wow - did not expect that with the Citations. Is Dichter filling in for Citationair? Obviously those pilots should be targeted for hire as CA winds down. First Avantair shuts down and he starts the King Air operation. Now CA is winding down and he steps in again. He sounds very opportunistic.

Any mention of numbers of XLS and Sovereigns on order? Are they the new Sovereigns or used C680 aircraft? Is he taking on used Citationair aircraft? I didn't see any numbers offered.

Interesting times....
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I would think that these aircraft will come from CAir. Pilots? hmm have to wait and see. Don't know many that will want to go to that schedule though.
 
Citation UP

Wheels up Adds Cessna Citation Jets to Its World-Class Member Platform
2013-12-14
Kenny Dichter, Founder and CEO of Wheels Up , the revolutionary membership-based private aviation company, today announced a new initiative with Cessna Aircraft Company, a Textron, Inc. (NYSE: TXT) company, to add a comprehensive jet lift solution, through the addition of Cessna Citation Excel and Sovereign jets to the growing fleet of offerings for Wheels Up members. The Cessna Citations will be outfitted with the Wheels Up distinctive sleek blue and white livery, "UP" on the aircraft tail, along with newly refurbished customized interiors to include Wi-Fi connectivity. The Cessna Citations will provide Wheels Up with light and midsize jets, enabling Wheels Up to achieve another milestone in building a total aviation solution with "mission-appropriate" aircraft options. Wheels Up expects to offer Cessna Citations to its members as soon as possible.
With this agreement, Wheels Up is creating a closed-fleet option of light and midsize private jets that complement the existing Wheels Up closed-fleet. Cessna will provide comprehensive maintenance on the newly added Cessna Citation aircraft through its ProAdvantage program and extensive service center network.
"We feel that we know the Cessna product better than anyone else in the industry; while at Marquis Jet we drove over $4 billion in revenue, the majority of which was on Cessna aircraft," said Mr. Dichter. "To have Cessna, the industry authority in light, midsize and super midsize jets, working with Wheels Up is a significant achievement and a testament to the business model we've created."
"We are very excited to be in business with Wheels Up because we strongly believe their new membership model is one of the futures of private aviation," said Scott Ernest, President and CEO of Cessna. "Wheels Up opens up a whole new space of customers who can access the Cessna product."
About Wheels Up
Wheels Up is a revolutionary membership-based private aviation company that lowers the upfront investment needed to enjoy flying privately - all while providing unparalleled flexibility. Wheels Up was created and is led by Kenny Dichter, the Founder of Marquis Jet and original innovator of the first 25-hour fractional jet card. Offering a member experience that is both high-tech and high- touch, Wheels Up has developed proprietary cutting-edge booking and rideshare applications, and offers the finest personalized service. With a modest initiation fee and reasonable annual dues, Wheels Up is designed to appeal to individuals and corporations currently flying privately. With an 8,760-hour (referencing the number of hours in a year) culture, Wheels Up membership includes Wheels Down, a corresponding lifestyle and event service engaging members through exclusive offerings around major sporting events, intimate concerts, culinary experiences and opportunities to meet luminaries from the worlds of entertainment, politics and business.
Wheels Up will act as agent for the Wheels Up members, and is not the operator of the program aircraft; FAA licensed and DOT registered air carriers participating in the program will exercise full operational control of the program aircraft. Any aircraft owned by Wheels Up will be dry leased to the operating air carrier to facilitate operations by that carrier. For additional information, please visit www.WheelsUp.com.
About Cessna
Cessna is the world's leading general aviation company. Since its inception in 1927, Cessna has designed, produced and delivered nearly 200,000 airplanes around the globe. This includes 6,500 Citation business jets, making it the largest fleet of business jets in the world. Today, Cessna has two principal lines of business: aircraft sales and aftermarket services. Aircraft sales include Citation business jets, Caravan single-engine utility turboprops, single-engine piston aircraft and lift solutions by CitationAir. Aftermarket services include parts, maintenance, inspection and repair services. In 2012, Cessna delivered 571 aircraft, including 181 Citation business jets, and reported revenues of $3.111 billion. More information about Cessna Aircraft Company is available at cessna.com.
 
I wonder who will be providing pilots to fly the jets for "WU". Gama or other. Hmmm-
 
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Maybe Kenny D will sell a membership program called Wheels Up to NetJets, then he'll be a VP for a year and then leave for personal reasons. 1 year later he could start a membership program called Wings Out, sell THAT to NetJets, rinse and repeat.

How much did NetJets pay for MarquisJet? That's one sharp cookie attorney running the show at NetJets. Oooops!
 
Rubber Ducky said:
$1? More like 8 figures... Fast forward to two minutes, thirty seconds... http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000186251
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When ever anyone says "6 figures, 8 figures" etc. they say it to sound impressive but it's not. It could be $10,000,000 or $99,000,000. Most likely it's the first number. And I'm not sure Marquis was worth much. They had huge debt and couldn't sell their cards anymore in the recession. I'm assuming NJ was forced to take them over due to the buy back contract on the planes. If NJ paid anything, which is actually doubtful, it was to retain customers and not implode, since Marquis was a large chunk of NJ's flying. His "8 figures" probably came from his severance package from his lofty VP postion that he held for almost no time.
 
cldsfr79 said:
When ever anyone says "6 figures, 8 figures" etc. they say it to sound impressive but it's not. It could be $10,000,000 or $99,000,000. Most likely it's the first number. And I'm not sure Marquis was worth much. They had huge debt and couldn't sell their cards anymore in the recession. I'm assuming NJ was forced to take them over due to the buy back contract on the planes. If NJ paid anything, which is actually doubtful, it was to retain customers and not implode, since Marquis was a large chunk of NJ's flying. His "8 figures" probably came from his severance package from his lofty VP postion that he held for almost no time.
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And I'm not sure Marquis was worth much. They had huge debt and couldn't sell their cards anymore in the recession. I'm assuming NJ was forced to take them over due to the buy back contract on the planes. If NJ paid anything, which is actually doubtful, it was to retain customers and not implode, since Marquis was a large chunk of NJ's flying.

That is absolutely correct!!! They owed a ton and just transferred the business as a smoke and mirrors move to avoid embarrassing the company further.

If the guy is so smart, why would Warren let him get away? Geez...they needed a promoter to goose NJ, yet the wizard escaped!
 

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