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You have no idea what the interviewers background is. Any flight instructor knows about the part 61 sole manipulator wording. And how is the interviewer going to prove or know who signed for the aircraft?

I have an idea what the interviewers background is. Since you responded to a quote that addressed "airlines" - the interviewer will laugh you out of the office when you tell them that you logged PIC time, when you were employed as an SIC in a multi-crew airplane.

You may now return to your 7E7 on flight sim.
 
^^^^This. I can't believe we are even having this discussion. Both pilots logging PIC time. That's funny right there. ;)
When I did IOE as a CA in training on a DHC, I logged SIC time-the Line Check aiman logged PIC time. His name was on the release. When two Captains fly together, the one whos name is on the release loggs PIC time-the other guy/gal can't. jetBlue is one of the airlines that spells it out easy enough-one of the requirements to count PIC time on their application is "the one who signed for the aircraft"
 
No sheet. Now back to Wheels-Up/Gama baby! :beer:
 
Still trying to figure out how GAMA can have a 135 certificate...when they are foreign owned...

oh oh...kinda like Jet Solutions...49% owned by a Canadian company (under the limit :))..but who controls the certificate...guess we don't have to worry about that anymore with a US company buying Flexjets...that Dallas FSDO can work things out..just have to know the right people...

...and it helps to put the former head of the FAA (Jane Garvey) on your board of directors when things get really hot with Congress...Jane joins the Obama's administration in 2008 after things quiet down...

...all facts that you can confirm on the Internet...and if you don't believe that...it has been on flightinfo.com which is the bible of truth and credible dialogue...

How long before Wheels Up needs a union or we start hearing about QOL?
 
Still trying to figure out how GAMA can have a 135 certificate...when they are foreign owned...

oh oh...kinda like Jet Solutions...49% owned by a Canadian company (under the limit :))..but who controls the certificate...guess we don't have to worry about that anymore with a US company buying Flexjets...that Dallas FSDO can work things out..just have to know the right people...

...and it helps to put the former head of the FAA (Jane Garvey) on your board of directors when things get really hot with Congress...Jane joins the Obama's administration in 2008 after things quiet down...

...all facts that you can confirm on the Internet...and if you don't believe that...it has been on flightinfo.com which is the bible of truth and credible dialogue...

How long before Wheels Up needs a union or we start hearing about QOL?
Are they bad for business down South?
 
^^^^this. I can't believe we are even having this discussion. Both pilots logging pic time. That's funny right there. ;)
when i did ioe as a ca in training on a dhc, i logged sic time-the line check aiman logged pic time. His name was on the release. When two captains fly together, the one whos name is on the release loggs pic time-the other guy/gal can't. jetblue is one of the airlines that spells it out easy enough-one of the requirements to count pic time on their application is "the one who signed for the aircraft"



winner winner chicken dinner
 
Clearly the black and white text differs from JetBlue and other airlines. I can't seem to find "signed for the aircraft" in the regs anywhere.
 
A guy 923 hours total flight time on his resume, 321 ME time, puts down he has 255 PIC in a KA-90? Legal under part 61, sure. How many insurance companies covered this pilot as PIC without a tremendous low time rider? How many command decisions did this pilot make? An airline interviewer will look at this as BS PIC time in every case. You are not the PIC in the eyes of anyone.
 
A guy 923 hours total flight time on his resume, 321 ME time, puts down he has 255 PIC in a KA-90? Legal under part 61, sure. How many insurance companies covered this pilot as PIC without a tremendous low time rider? How many command decisions did this pilot make? An airline interviewer will look at this as BS PIC time in every case. You are not the PIC in the eyes of anyone.

but none of that means that he isn't a better pilot than the F15 fighter jock that gets hired at the airline with 1500 hours

anyone who has done hiring in this business knows that the logbook is virtually meaningless when it comes time to train and it comes time to go out and fly
 
A guy 923 hours total flight time on his resume, 321 ME time, puts down he has 255 PIC in a KA-90? Legal under part 61, sure. How many insurance companies covered this pilot as PIC without a tremendous low time rider? How many command decisions did this pilot make? An airline interviewer will look at this as BS PIC time in every case. You are not the PIC in the eyes of anyone.

With a low time guy, I can't completely agree or disagree with you. But with a guy that's been unfortunate enough for seniority to pin him in the SIC position for 15 years while he supervises old guys like you and teaches the Captain more about climb gradients in Aspen and stops the Captain from killing them both in a regular basis, then in that case I would say he has made quite a few command decisions. An "SIC" logging "PIC" in the left seat on passenger legs has been "allowed" to do so because he earned the respect of the person who signed for the aircraft who knows that they are equally qualified to do so. I'm guessing you would just make him work the radios though because you are the man.
 
With a low time guy, I can't completely agree or disagree with you. But with a guy that's been unfortunate enough for seniority to pin him in the SIC position for 15 years while he supervises old guys like you and teaches the Captain more about climb gradients in Aspen and stops the Captain from killing them both in a regular basis, then in that case I would say he has made quite a few command decisions. An "SIC" logging "PIC" in the left seat on passenger legs has been "allowed" to do so because he earned the respect of the person who signed for the aircraft who knows that they are equally qualified to do so. I'm guessing you would just make him work the radios though because you are the man.

FYI most employers, especially airlines will only count PIC time if you actually signed for the aircraft. It's isn't in any regs it's just what the company's want as a requirement .
 
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FYI most employers, especially airlines will only count PIC time if you actually signed for the aircraft. It's isn't in any regs it's just what the company's want as a requirement .

Thanks, that's why we are discussing that short sightedness on this Wheels Up thread today.
 
With a low time guy, I can't completely agree or disagree with you. But with a guy that's been unfortunate enough for seniority to pin him in the SIC position for 15 years while he supervises old guys like you and teaches the Captain more about climb gradients in Aspen and stops the Captain from killing them both in a regular basis, then in that case I would say he has made quite a few command decisions. An "SIC" logging "PIC" in the left seat on passenger legs has been "allowed" to do so because he earned the respect of the person who signed for the aircraft who knows that they are equally qualified to do so. I'm guessing you would just make him work the radios though because you are the man.
What are you talking about? We were talking about a very low time showing PIC in an airplane by doing the Part 61 thing going through an interview pertending they were a PIC. BTW: I don't think you have flown with me, but I spend most of my time as PM.
 
anyone who has done hiring in this business knows that the logbook is virtually meaningless when it comes time to train and it comes time to go out and fly
ditto that, but the chances are the F15 fighter jock will have a much higher probability of successful completion of training. The F-15 guy has some real PIC time. Plus he is in a constant training cycle. He has been screend well beyond the average civilian pilot and faced a far more stringent a elimination program. BTW the USAF flight time forms may be a bit more accurate than other ways of logging flight time.
 
Curious...what is the flight time of an F15 fighter pilot when they come out...on average?

Serious question...include trainers...
 
Curious...what is the flight time of an F15 fighter pilot when they come out...on average?

Serious question...include trainers...
Along the same lines. I got a resume a few year back from a USAF EC-135 pilots, he had 1200 hours total time, he had been in 10 years. I hear F/A-18 pilots are getting about 12 hours a month when not deployed.
 
Thanks Yip! Number sounds reasonable...
Things change I came out of my first squadron tour in 1971 with over 2000 hours, 700 of that came in six months flying around Vietnam. But then over the next 6 years I only got another 700 hours. I would imanine that those flying in support of Iraq or Afghanistan also see those kinds of numbers.
 

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