SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[-9Capt]

What seniority list would not fit the definition of "screwed" to you? And please be specific. Where would you be on the list.

SWAPA and ALPA would never have agreed on what is "fair and equitable". Therefore I would have been happy to see it go to arbitration like we all agreed to. SW used threats and ultimatums to deny AirTran pilots their day in court. If an arbitrator returned a similar ISL, I wouldn't be on here bitching about it. I might not have agreed with it, but I'd have moved on by now. It's a lot different when one sides version of F&E is crammed up your arse hole.

 

[General Lee]

SWAPA and ALPA would never have agreed on what is "fair and equitable". Therefore I would have been happy to see it go to arbitration like we all agreed to. SW used threats and ultimatums to deny AirTran pilots their day in court. If an arbitrator returned a similar ISL, I wouldn't be on here bitching about it. I might not have agreed with it, but I'd have moved on by now. It's a lot different when one sides version of F&E is crammed up your arse hole.

Ouch again! And, it makes sense. I wonder how Wave will respond?

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ASADFW7]

I wonder if dc9 is the Midway pilot who all the captains complain about?

 

[sfomarc]

AirTran never gave me an ultimatum.
AirTran never threatened my employment.
AirTran never used strong arm tactics to downgraded me.
AirTran never threatened me with a "Plan B"
AirTran never signed secret contracts that adversely affected their employees.
AirTran never colluded with their pilots union in an effort to screw over another employee group.
AirTran never grossly disregarded seniority.
***and lastly***
AirTran does not preach the golden rule like a hypocrite.


SW came to ALPA with smiles, a handshake, a rubber duck and a "medallion" and ultimately ended up sticking it up our arse. Some may eventually get over it, but to me, this doesn't make for good, lasting employee relations.

Sounds like you could start a lawsuit against SWA. I'd get on that.

 

[sfomarc]

SWAPA and ALPA would never have agreed on what is "fair and equitable". Therefore I would have been happy to see it go to arbitration like we all agreed to. SW used threats and ultimatums to deny AirTran pilots their day in court. If an arbitrator returned a similar ISL, I wouldn't be on here bitching about it. I might not have agreed with it, but I'd have moved on by now. It's a lot different when one sides version of F&E is crammed up your arse hole.

And what would be fair and equitable to you if the company stated that the 717's were going away ASAP from the get go which was always the case? How would an arbitrator view that?

 

[Kenney G]

And what would be fair and equitable to you if the company stated that the 717's were going away ASAP from the get go which was always the case? How would an arbitrator view that?

I believe the arbitrator takes a snapshot of the companies at the date of purchase. Do you think an arbitrator cared that the dc-9's where on their way out at NWA during their arbitration? No.

 

[waveflyer]

SWAPA and ALPA would never have agreed on what is "fair and equitable". Therefore I would have been happy to see it go to arbitration like we all agreed to. SW used threats and ultimatums to deny AirTran pilots their day in court. If an arbitrator returned a similar ISL, I wouldn't be on here bitching about it. I might not have agreed with it, but I'd have moved on by now. It's a lot different when one sides version of F&E is crammed up your arse hole.

And when alpa was playing games delaying the steps they were required by the PA to go through with a good faith effort?? That's not your responsibility?

So you don't care about the actual sli, just the way it happened - yet refuse to see your own unions neurosis, fragmentation, and willful delay in creating that...?

Btw- I thoroughly disagree with the list too- so the same could be said on this side- you don't think the message didn't come across loud and clear from mgmt on our end either?

If you think the resulting list is "our side's version of F & E" you're outside of your mind. It absolutely screwed at least the last 2000 on our list

 

[-9Capt]

And what would be fair and equitable to you if the company stated that the 717's were going away ASAP from the get go which was always the case? How would an arbitrator view that?

Always the case?

That's not what R McCreedy (sic?) told a room full of us at a town hall meeting in ATL. But I'm sure you knew that.

 

[RLAblows]

And what would be fair and equitable to you if the company stated that the 717's were going away ASAP from the get go which was always the case? How would an arbitrator view that?

I would imagine with that kind of honesty from the get go the DOJ would have never approved the deal.

 

[-9Capt]

Do you think an arbitrator cared that the dc-9's where on their way out at NWA during their arbitration? No.

You're demonstrating your lack of understanding. The 717's were the only capt seats that an AirTran pilot could expect to hold. Totally different and unrelated to NW retiring their -9s. The transition bid was a ruse by management, totally meaningless and a waste of time.

DAL/NWA is apples to oranges.