SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[redflyer65]

You're demonstrating your lack of understanding. The 717's were the only capt seats that an AirTran pilot could expect to hold. Totally different and unrelated to NW retiring their -9s. The transition bid was a ruse by management, totally meaningless and a waste of time.

DAL/NWA is apples to oranges.

Your right, DAL/NWA were similar sized airlines with similar projected career earnings and expectations.

 

[SWA Bubba]

I would imagine with that kind of honesty from the get go the DOJ would have never approved the deal.

I'm not sure where you get THIS idea. The DOJ's only concern is anti-trust issues. If Southwest had said they were getting RID of most of AirTran's aircraft, they would have had even LESS of a concern.

Bubba

 

[Freelovefield]

Wow, -9capt.
Keep your arse out of Dallas!!
Please!!!

 

[-9Capt]

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[-9Capt]

And when alpa was playing games delaying the steps they were required by the PA to go through with a good faith effort?? That's not your responsibility?

So you don't care about the actual sli, just the way it happened - yet refuse to see your own unions neurosis, fragmentation, and willful delay in creating that...?

Btw- I thoroughly disagree with the list too- so the same could be said on this side- you don't think the message didn't come across loud and clear from mgmt on our end either?

If you think the resulting list is "our side's version of F & E" you're outside of your mind. It absolutely screwed at least the last 2000 on our list

I have no idea what you're talking about. Details would be nice. The only "delays" I know about were caused by SWAPA with their frivolous jurisdictional arbitration that set us back 6 months.

I'm not going to debate the ISL with you. Like I said, we'll never agree. However, it's a fact that every AT pilot lost a significant amount of seniority in the deal and every SW pilot gained a much smaller amount as a result. I don't know what you have to complain about, SW was at zero growth before AirTran according to your illustrious leader.

The only way I can see you guys being screwed is by the 717 going away. SW is taking all AT pilots but getting rid of 88 of their airplanes. That one cuts both ways. Thanks uncle Gary.

 

[madjack]

I agree, the AT guys lost seniority (2.5 to 3.5 years) and the 717 demise post transition bid is sketchy on mgmts part...u have a law suit going, see how it plays out...

If u can prove the original landslide vote in favor of SL10 was coerced and the transition bid was fraudulent, a sympathetic judge may approve your complaint....nothing surprises me any more, but unless u like feeding the trolls or bashing ur head into a wall, there is no point in debating it anymore on FI...just saying...

 

[-9Capt]

Your right, DAL/NWA were similar sized airlines with similar projected career earnings and expectations.

I agree..

Exactly why I didn't expect the same SLI that DAL/NWA got, but I also didn't expect that every hardship would be borne by AT pilots either. "Welcome to SW, here's a rubber duck, now go F yourself".

 

[redflyer65]

I'll echo the earlier post..

I sincerely hope your future at SWA ends up better than you are anticipating it will.

I think you'll enjoy flying the line with OSW guys, just the same as I look forward to flying with the former AirTran guys. I had plenty of anger issues myself about this deal but it's long over and decided for us..so I'm over it. Good luck when you come over. Bring a good liver. You'll need it.

 

[-9Capt]

I agree, the AT guys lost seniority (2.5 to 3.5 years) and the 717 demise post transition bid is sketchy on mgmts part...u have a law suit going, see how it plays out...

If u can prove the original landslide vote in favor of SL10 was coerced and the transition bid was fraudulent, a sympathetic judge may approve your complaint....nothing surprises me any more, but unless u like feeding the trolls or bashing ur head into a wall, there is no point in debating it anymore on FI...just saying...

Where we lost was on a % basis, not on years. Years are only meaningful when making comparisons within a single seniority list.

I'm certainly not here looking for sympathy or trying to rehash the whole thing...this is more therapy than anything else.

 

[-9Capt]

I'll echo the earlier post..

I sincerely hope your future at SWA ends up better than you are anticipating it will.

I think you'll enjoy flying the line with OSW guys, just the same as I look forward to flying with the former AirTran guys. I had plenty of anger issues myself about this deal but it's long over and decided for us..so I'm over it. Good luck when you come over. Bring a good liver. You'll need it.

Nice!

 

[waveflyer]

I'll echo the earlier post..

I sincerely hope your future at SWA ends up better than you are anticipating it will.

I think you'll enjoy flying the line with OSW guys, just the same as I look forward to flying with the former AirTran guys. I had plenty of anger issues myself about this deal but it's long over and decided for us..so I'm over it. Good luck when you come over. Bring a good liver. You'll need it.

This(!)^^^

 

[Candide]

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[RLAblows]

I'm not sure where you get THIS idea. The DOJ's only concern is anti-trust issues. If Southwest had said they were getting RID of most of AirTran's aircraft, they would have had even LESS of a concern.

Bubba

You proved my point. Would getting rid of a competitive airline be in the best interest of the public?

 

[canyonblue]

Not that this should be of any concern to you, but since you asked, I'm going to conduct myself exactly as I do now. I come to work, fly my trip then go the F home and partake one or more of my many leisure activities. If someone asks my opinion about a certain topic, I'll give it. If they want to talk about football, that's fine too.

This company will never have my respect or loyalty and that should surprise nobody. You can't lie, cheat and steal and expect your employees to respect you.
As far as I can tell there are at least a thousand of us over here that feel the same way.

Sadly for you, there are many here who will love to hear you talk this way. We have plenty of FO's that are so pissed at this acquisition, they will see joy in the fact that you are so miserable. Nice job!

 

[General Lee]

Sadly for you, there are many here who will love to hear you talk this way. We have plenty of FO's that are so pissed at this acquisition, they will see joy in the fact that you are so miserable. Nice job!

You could have determined fairly where neutrals would have placed the AT guys on your list, but you chickened out. You could have proven your stance in a fair setting, but for some reason your group decided against that....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[vixin]

Who's CEO sold their POS airline that was heavily debt loaded, couldnt afford $80 pbl oil, couldnt afford our rates and you FATS were ready to strike on. Yeah it sounded just peachy at AirTran. Live in your miserable world Dc9. Sounds like you are just an unhappy individual. Before you start with you growth and order garbage. Do a little research on the direction and health of your once wonderful company. Not the fluff ALPO wants you to believe. Not to mention the stronger Delta and SWA. I am sure AirTran would have been the powerhouse some of you think it would have been.

 

[jball2]

No matter which side of this you are on, if you are angry at the other side, they are winning. Trust me, anger holds you hostage to those you are angry at. This was not directed at anyone in particular.

 

[General Lee]

No matter which side of this you are on, if you are angry at the other side, they are winning. Trust me, anger holds you hostage to those you are angry at. This was not directed at anyone in particular.

And the problem was your management took sides, which was a bad idea. Had arbitration happened, your side could have pointed out all of the perceived deficiencies of the other side, and the arbitrators would have ruled accordingly, right? Isn't that what your side was so confident about? (How great your side was compared to AT). So, if that was the case, then arbitration would have validated your side's ego. Instead, one side was faced with two opponents in the SLI deal, and that is why some feel the way they do. That was not the way other airlines handled it, the pilots were left to handle it via the courts. That way, management isn't involved and loyalty has a good chance of remaining intact.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jball2]

GL- you completely missed my point but I forgive you!

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[scoreboardII]

Well, SW and AT management had different answers to the old Machiavellian question, "is it better to be loved or feared?". I hope SW continues with the love approach.....

SWA management has moved handily into the fear realm. Make no mistakes, but like its been said, the people at the worker bee level are still good. it will take at least another five maybe tens years for management to kill the love.