SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[waveflyer]

Good. I'm younger than you, and senior to you. I didn't read the rest. I don't care about the wide body pay now. That single fact has made me so happy that you can have a blended pay rate.

I'm sure it did, but there's lots of guys senior to me that are younger than me- lots.

That happened to a whole lot of us-I'm still relatively young

I know you're trying to be a d-ck for kicks, but if you ever care to wonder why no SWA pilot feels bad about your perceived bad SLI- it's bc it wasn't.

Air tran was such a sh/t job comparatively, somebody like you could get it super young- SWA took years longer on average- and here we are.

As for me personally- I made my bed- went to a legacy first and took some time for me to set my priorities. I was pretty motivated, but needed to get kicked in the nuts a bit by the industry before I figured out SWA was for me.

And it still is, regardless of you being senior to me. I love this job and hope you grow to love it too.

 

[waveflyer]

Nope, not happening at SWA, I've been a proponent of this idea, but from the survey of pilots I've flown with, all CA, zero agree to take less so an average pay could be used. They got theirs, they are keeping theirs.

Increase an already elitist pyramid scheme pay scale? What we need are fewer steps to top pay, not more, not longer.

That's why I preach it. Most airline's pilot groups give up $millions bc we can fly jets but can't wrap our head around the time value of money

Well said- fewer steps to top, not more.

 

[waveflyer]

Well I am not that surprised, it's too ingrained in the airline pilot culture. But like I said, I wonder if the savings from having one pay scale could be converted into greater longevity pay for all. I know, pipe dream, but it's a thought.

How many training events occur bc pilots are chasing the carrot? At one point is it more valuable to stay at one rate ?

 

[Skyboy722]

Can anyone from Spirit chime in here? I think they have something like this. "Blended" rates when they started adding 321s....

 

[Ty Webb]

Air tran was such a sh/t job comparatively, somebody like you could get it super young- SWA took years longer on average- and here we are.

This is pretty funny.

When they gave you the Koolaid, they must have squirted it in both ends. :laugh:

Newsflash- It was a lot harder to get on with UAL and AMR these past ten years than it was to get on with SWA. That doesn't mean they were "better jobs".

A "better job" to you doesn't necessarily mean the same thing to someone else.

My "sh/t job", as you put it, allowed me to fly as a mid-seniority CA, flying easy, commutable schedules with plenty of time off, and while it wasn't the top pay in the Industry, I wouldn't have voluntarily traded places with you, or someone a few years senior to you.

 

[Ty Webb]

http://youtu.be/64BarFD6Mso

That's it!

As with Hemingway, Ernest Gann's books were much better than the movies made from them, but they're still worth watching.

The scene where John Wayne (as F.O. Dan Roman) slaps the Captain is a classic, they used to show that clip during CRM training for a little humor.

 

[Tripower455]

That's it!

As with Hemingway, Ernest Gann's books were much better than the movies made from them, but they're still worth watching.

The scene where John Wayne (as F.O. Dan Roman) slaps the Captain is a classic, they used to show that clip during CRM training for a little humor.

I was gonna post the book cover, but The Duke won the coin toss. Great stuff!

They still show that clip in our recurrents once in a while.

 

[madjack]

Ty buddy, your a professional airline pilot, you got traded...you know how the game works...great union gig but not always fair and certainly not a meritocracy..maybe u are independently wealthy, and/or have a side business and this gig is just a cool part time job, but for the vast majority of your colleagues they are in this for the $$, and at the end of the day, stable, well run SWA's decision to buy AAI (vs lets say a UAL or DL) will be the best thing that ever happened in their career...

 

[dicko]

I agree with you--you are annoying.

I'm sorry that your mother named you "Dicko."

We good now?

Bubba

She would agree. That's why she named me Dicko. Yes.

 

[dicko]

I'm sure it did, but there's lots of guys senior to me that are younger than me- lots.

That happened to a whole lot of us-I'm still relatively young

I know you're trying to be a d-ck for kicks, but if you ever care to wonder why no SWA pilot feels bad about your perceived bad SLI- it's bc it wasn't.

Air tran was such a sh/t job comparatively, somebody like you could get it super young- SWA took years longer on average- and here we are.

As for me personally- I made my bed- went to a legacy first and took some time for me to set my priorities. I was pretty motivated, but needed to get kicked in the nuts a bit by the industry before I figured out SWA was for me.

And it still is, regardless of you being senior to me. I love this job and hope you grow to love it too.

Oouuhh. Goodness me Wave, wonderful spirit. You still haven't outdone your drunken "they all should have been stapled" post yet.

You said that it took longer to get a job at SWA, preceded by the fact that there are "lots" younger and senior to you. It's a fallacy - Held close to your wax covered, razor burned chest, in order to keep you warm at night. SWA hired a guy with 700 hours in 2000. Ex firefighter and everything you could hope to be. Now a SWA check airmen. A great person.

Oh, he's senior to both of us.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Ty buddy, your a professional airline pilot, you got traded...you know how the game works...great union gig but not always fair and certainly not a meritocracy..maybe u are independently wealthy, and/or have a side business and this gig is just a cool part time job, but for the vast majority of your colleagues they are in this for the $$, and at the end of the day, stable, well run SWA's decision to buy AAI (vs lets say a UAL or DL) will be the best thing that ever happened in their career...

Opinions vary. Had we had an opportunity to go with the 71's to Delta with a more fair seniority integration, you'd have seen a lot of captains and f/o's go with the airplanes. With the current situation we find ourselves in, mostly f/o's with the least amount of time invested are looking for greener pastures. Personally, I've got too much time invested to start over so I'll be sucking it up and taking it like a man. Just don't tell me how lucky I am or how much better off I am. I don't and will never buy it. The turmoil of the last few years plus the next decade are not worth it, just better than starting over.

 

[madjack]

You are lucky and u will be better off at SWA, u just aren't "man" enough to admit it...

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Opinions vary. Had we had an opportunity to go with the 71's to Delta with a more fair seniority integration, you'd have seen a lot of captains and f/o's go with the airplanes.

I love how everybody forgets how contentious of a relationship we had with Delta over the years. All of a sudden they would have been the savior that was going to offer a "fair and equitable" SLI? BS. There was no way the 717's were going over to Delta with any pilots being offered anything more than preferential interviews.

 

[waveflyer]

Apparently you missed Dicko being a d/ck-
That jab was for him-
But I can explain all the jokes if you have real sensitive feelers

This is pretty funny.

When they gave you the Koolaid, they must have squirted it in both ends. :laugh:

Newsflash- It was a lot harder to get on with UAL and AMR these past ten years than it was to get on with SWA. That doesn't mean they were "better jobs".

A "better job" to you doesn't necessarily mean the same thing to someone else.

My "sh/t job", as you put it, allowed me to fly as a mid-seniority CA, flying easy, commutable schedules with plenty of time off, and while it wasn't the top pay in the Industry, I wouldn't have voluntarily traded places with you, or someone a few years senior to you.

 

[waveflyer]

Oouuhh. Goodness me Wave, wonderful spirit. You still haven't outdone your drunken "they all should have been stapled" post yet.

You said that it took longer to get a job at SWA, preceded by the fact that there are "lots" younger and senior to you. It's a fallacy - Held close to your wax covered, razor burned chest, in order to keep you warm at night. SWA hired a guy with 700 hours in 2000. Ex firefighter and everything you could hope to be. Now a SWA check airmen. A great person.

Oh, he's senior to both of us.

Most of the "lots" are from air tran-

So thanks-

I doubt the veracity of your claim dicki

- but I'm already bored- again.... Mergers happen- they suck

You're job wasnt close to equal to mine. Period. You got better than fair. And I'll sling gear for you happily as long as my paycheck says SWA on it and not Air tran.

 

[4day]

No, the ATN forum was shut down because of all the personal attacks and occasional threats of violence. Maybe if pilots like yourself could debate without calling people names we would still have a forum today.

None of the people you mentioned have access to all 335,000 pages of documents and have attended 4 out of first 5 depositions taken.

Almost last post.

 

[Ty Webb]

What's the purpose of your post? your intentions may be good, but this is in very poor taste. Seriously.

Let the guy and his family have some peace.

 

[jrcpilot]

It's safe to say, that would have never happened anywhere else.

Incorrect.... it has happened before several times....at DL at least 2 Ferry flights that I know of and we have purchased many tickets on other carriers to get guys home.

 

[madjack]

Poor taste is the attack dog posts, do u think his family would be shocked? MB was the consummate pro even on FI, never resorted personal attacks...and he was right about SL9...