USAir East West NIC Award Resolution? Very soon!

[Mamma]

I'm still not clear on how anyone is "winning" here. Airbus top 320 Capt pay at East is $125/hr. Financial madness and an anchor on the industry. You guys have to straighten this out. This represents a loss of $40-$80K a year as compared to industry peers. 60K/yr loss on the A330. Madness.

Alaska: $180
Delta: $182
JetBlue: $164
Spirit: $168
Virgin: $150
Southwest: $216

 

[The Drizzle]

I'm still not clear on how anyone is "winning" here. Airbus top 320 Capt pay at East is $125/hr. Financial madness and an anchor on the industry. You guys have to straighten this out. This represents a loss of $40-$80K a year as compared to industry peers. 60K/yr loss on the A330. Madness.

Alaska: $180
Delta: $182
JetBlue: $164
Spirit: $168
Virgin: $150
Southwest: $216

That awkward feeling in the cockpit when the JBLU FO on the jumpseat brought home more than your captain.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Quiet Mamma! Defending their rights at all costs to the worst pay rates in the industry is what the east is all about. If you have to suffer because of their selfishness, too bad.

 

[Bringupthebird]

See there - that is the mentality of the West "as I spend your Captain's check".

Nah, that's not the mentality of the west. That's just the only thing I could think of concerning the east that didn't involve profanity.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Wide range of reasonableness. It's the law.

The undermining of Binding arbitration has farther reaching consequences. I wouldn't rely on your "wide range" to protect you from being held accountable for your actions.

When damages are handed down (and you can be sure they will) you will look back and wish this had been resolved sooner.

 

[vetrider]

The undermining of Binding arbitration has farther reaching consequences. I wouldn't rely on your "wide range" to protect you from being held accountable for your actions.

When damages are handed down (and you can be sure they will) you will look back and wish this had been resolved sooner.

I don't doubt for one second that another Jury would see the usapa rat for what it is, no matter what. The bread crumb trail has already been left, and I think it's a big enough turn off that the Jury will have lost all sympathy they may have had for the east and their 'plight.'

That said, with our ********************ed up legal system, I don't expect to ever see any 'damages.' That's just me.

 

[Flybywire44]

I'm still not clear on how anyone is "winning" here. Airbus top 320 Capt pay at East is $125/hr. Financial madness and an anchor on the industry. You guys have to straighten this out. This represents a loss of $40-$80K a year as compared to industry peers. 60K/yr loss on the A330. Madness.

Alaska: $180
Delta: $182
JetBlue: $164
Spirit: $168
Virgin: $150
Southwest: $216

So long as the merger happens then every group will benefit tremendously.

I feel bad for the America West minority who made their livelihood obsessing over Nic. This potential merger and APA/USAPA is going to prove much bigger than their ambition and vinegar.

The APA pilot group reflects the same age demographic as East pilots. APA may do everything they can to subvert a Nic award.

USAPA won't ask for much from APA: "Just give us seniority integration that blended towards DOH with pay parity."

 

[TWA Dude]

Your cluelessness is so cute. Vis-a-vis the Nic the APA will do whatever their lawyers tell them is the path of least resistance. I'm pretty sure I know what that is.
And regardless, the APA will do whatever it can to screw the entire USAir pilot group. If they don't like the arbitration result they'll try anything to get around it, perhaps even change unions. Wouldn't that be ironic.

Oh, and I'm still an APA member. Ain't that a hoot.

 

[Dornier 335]

So long as the merger happens then every group will benefit tremendously.

Sure has been quiet about this lately....

 

[Mamma]

So long as the merger happens then every group will benefit tremendously.

I feel bad for the America West minority who made their livelihood obsessing over Nic. This potential merger and APA/USAPA is going to prove much bigger than their ambition and vinegar.

The APA pilot group reflects the same age demographic as East pilots. APA may do everything they can to subvert a Nic award.

USAPA won't ask for much from APA: "Just give us seniority integration that blended towards DOH with pay parity."

What happens if the merger does not go through? Is the East going to continue to bleed over this dispute or figure a way out to solve it? Status quo seems like complete financial stupidity. Seniority is great but getting stiffed $60/hr seems insane.

 

[Superbird]

What happens if the merger does not go through? Is the East going to continue to bleed over this dispute or figure a way out to solve it? Status quo seems like complete financial stupidity. Seniority is great but getting stiffed $60/hr seems insane.

Yes, because they are morons. The union is holding the pilot group hostage so that a few furloughees can obtain a Captain seat at the expense of naive east morons.

Hostage #1471

 

[Superbird]

So long as the merger happens then every group will benefit tremendously.

I feel bad for the America West minority who made their livelihood obsessing over Nic. This potential merger and APA/USAPA is going to prove much bigger than their ambition and vinegar.

The APA pilot group reflects the same age demographic as East pilots. APA may do everything they can to subvert a Nic award.

USAPA won't ask for much from APA: "Just give us seniority integration that blended towards DOH with pay parity."

Written above by:

Hostage #1472

 

[flygirlqt]

Wide range of reasonableness. Its the law.

No, it actually is not.

 

[Turtle21]

So long as the merger happens then every group will benefit tremendously.

I feel bad for the America West minority who made their livelihood obsessing over Nic. This potential merger and APA/USAPA is going to prove much bigger than their ambition and vinegar.

The APA pilot group reflects the same age demographic as East pilots. APA may do everything they can to subvert a Nic award.

USAPA won't ask for much from APA: "Just give us seniority integration that blended towards DOH with pay parity."

The west doesn't get it. They think the APA will resurrect the NIC... I don't blame them. The west is desperate for someone to help them get the Nic. The wasted over $2mil trying to get the courts to give it to them. No dice. They have begged and threatened Doug to give it to them. No dice. They have begged and threatened East pilots to give it to them. No dice. Now they will beg and threaten APA to give it to them.

Good luck, it's an ancient document that failed to foresee the wholesale changes that have occurred since its inception, it has no relevance to the new circumstances of this merger (if it should occur), and the APA has absolutely no responsibility to even educate themselves on it.

 

[Turtle21]

no, it actually is not.

lololololol!

 

[Turtle21]

I'm still not clear on how anyone is "winning" here. Airbus top 320 Capt pay at East is $125/hr. Financial madness and an anchor on the industry. You guys have to straighten this out. This represents a loss of $40-$80K a year as compared to industry peers. 60K/yr loss on the A330. Madness.

Alaska: $180
Delta: $182
JetBlue: $164
Spirit: $168
Virgin: $150
Southwest: $216

DUI Doug has never offered those rates; if he had offered them there is no doubt we would have them. Heck if he would agree to move 50% toward them we would have them.

Why pilots are so gullible as to attack fellow pilots for management's injustices is beyond me. Ha, if I knew how to make millions by getting pilots to fight, I wouldn't be a pilot!

 

[Bringupthebird]

Ha, if I knew how to make millions by getting pilots to fight, I wouldn't be a pilot!

No, you'd be Stephen Bradford/Mike Cleary/Gary Hummel. And you'd be just fine with extorting millions from fellow pilots to finance your tyranny.

A person (or 3500 of them) that would stoop to that are far worse than any SC-- and will live with that the rest of their (nee- your) career.

 

[wms]

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[777forever]

I'm still not clear on how anyone is "winning" here. Airbus top 320 Capt pay at East is $125/hr. Financial madness and an anchor on the industry. You guys have to straighten this out. This represents a loss of $40-$80K a year as compared to industry peers. 60K/yr loss on the A330. Madness.

Alaska: $180
Delta: $182
JetBlue: $164
Spirit: $168
Virgin: $150
Southwest: $216

It is absolutely astonishing that East pilots are willing to give up this much money year after year to satisfy their ego. Anyways, within 10 years most of them will be sitting on their egos in retirement

 

[Turtle21]

No, you'd be Stephen Bradford/Mike Cleary/Gary Hummel. And you'd be just fine with extorting millions from fellow pilots to finance your tyranny.

A person (or 3500 of them) that would stoop to that are far worse than any SC-- and will live with that the rest of their (nee- your) career.

You guys are always threatening to become millionaires as soon as the courts give you all the money we owe you, or you give us the option to just give you your millions now in the Nic, since it is fair and equitable.

Go threaten APA that you are gonna be millionaires as soon as you win in court.

Keep at it. We are all trembling that we will have to give you millions (remember, according to you we are broke!).