Delta TA-whos seen it?

[General Lee]

Or 50 757s
or 25 747s

I haven't seen the TA yet either, so I will hold judgement. But, I have been hearing that rumor about the company wanting to replace some of the 50 seaters with 76 seaters, but not the same number. The "ratio" would change for the better (for mainline) is the rub. The 50 seaters are going away anyway because of the economics, but the company supposedly could get away from some of the leases if they "trade up". First off, I don't see anything larger than 76 seaters going to DCI, that is for sure. As far as extra 76 seaters go, I want to see how this will affect the mainline pilots. If there will be less TOTAL RJs and the ratio does come down in mainline's favor, and the company can make more money that the pilots could share in profitsharing, I might consider it. If the TA as a whole isn't great for the pilots, then it will be a NO. I wonder how Dalpa is going to word this? With Urgency I am sure. We'll have to wait and see I guess.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Oh general always spinning. I am looking forward to more weekends off and my shiny new 76+ RJ

 

[Simon Says]

I haven't seen the TA yet either, so I will hold judgement. But, I have been hearing that rumor about the company wanting to replace some of the 50 seaters with 76 seaters, but not the same number. The "ratio" would change for the better (for mainline) is the rub. The 50 seaters are going away anyway because of the economics, but the company supposedly could get away from some of the leases if they "trade up". First off, I don't see anything larger than 76 seaters going to DCI, that is for sure. As far as extra 76 seaters go, I want to see how this will affect the mainline pilots. If there will be less TOTAL RJs and the ratio does come down in mainline's favor, and the company can make more money that the pilots could share in profitsharing, I might consider it. If the TA as a whole isn't great for the pilots, then it will be a NO. I wonder how Dalpa is going to word this? With Urgency I am sure. We'll have to wait and see I guess.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I hate to say it, but once again I would agree with GL.

 

[redflyer65]

I hate to say it, but once again I would agree with GL.

It all depends on what the 'new' ratio will be. Could be a home run, could be fly out. The devil will be in the details.

 

[General Lee]

Oh general always spinning. I am looking forward to more weekends off and my shiny new 76+ RJ

Clark,

Unless you are number 1, you may be bumped down by all of the CR2 pilots moving up to those extra 76 seaters if you get any. I really don't think Delta likes those 50 seaters, and again if this happens it would mean a reduction in overall RJ numbers. There could be a few more 76 seaters, replacing a lot more 50 seaters. Enjoy Tues/Wed/Thurs off.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

It all depends on what the 'new' ratio will be. Could be a home run, could be fly out. The devil will be in the details.

You're right. The devil will be in the details. We all hope ALPA contructed this well. Scope is very important, but it also ecompasses INTL scope as well, with Code shares, Joint Ventures, Alaska Air flying West Coast stuff, and then RJs. There is a lot to fix, and I wonder what ALPA has done to try to fix them all. On top of all of that, we want more pay and better work rules. It will be a tall order. But, the company did this very fast, so something could be up. If they had a reason, hopefully ALPA used a bit of leverage to get more for the pilots? We can all hope....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Skywest Pylot]

I haven't seen the TA yet either, so I will hold judgement. But, I have been hearing that rumor about the company wanting to replace some of the 50 seaters with 76 seaters, but not the same number. The "ratio" would change for the better (for mainline) is the rub. The 50 seaters are going away anyway because of the economics, but the company supposedly could get away from some of the leases if they "trade up". First off, I don't see anything larger than 76 seaters going to DCI, that is for sure. As far as extra 76 seaters go, I want to see how this will affect the mainline pilots. If there will be less TOTAL RJs and the ratio does come down in mainline's favor, and the company can make more money that the pilots could share in profitsharing, I might consider it. If the TA as a whole isn't great for the pilots, then it will be a NO. I wonder how Dalpa is going to word this? With Urgency I am sure. We'll have to wait and see I guess.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I would support a 5 (50 seater) for 1 (76 seater) exchange. We also want to cap the gross takeoff weight of those 76 seaters at 84,500lbs (crj900) so they don't get configured with more seats at a later date. Otherwise I am ok with letting all those 50 seaters die on the vine as fuel prices make them irrelevant.

 

[Lampshade]

NB Capt 12 yos $208, FO 12 yos $142

Not quite SWA rates but close.

 

[jayme]

You are absolutely correct it is for Delta Pilots to decide, which you so pointedly pointed out I am not. And believe me I'm reminded of that each and every time and I request a jump seat on MAINLINE or the days I walk through the terminal and say hello and simply get a smirk or the looking at his shoes...are they better at Delta....the shoes?

I just think it's funny that you are pounding your fist on the table saying NO MORE SCOPE RELIEF!!! Yet I have NEVER seen anyone on this board in all of it's millions of posts propose what they would be willing to sacrifice to purchase scope back. Instead we here things like "it's taking care of itself." Really how is it doing that? Because I've seen the seats and the weight of "scoped" aircraft get larger and larger and larger with each and every contract. But let me guess? This time is different right? Well I really truly and sincerely hope so. I would like a pair of those really nice shoes someday and as long as scope follows it's traditional path I'm not sure that I will. Rather what will happen is what always happens, you see management hold ALL the cards in bargaining. Each and every time ALPA hits a home run it's soon follow by chapter 11...read United circa 2000. The 50% will give into Top end scope protection, a bit of a raise, it's the same carrots every time.

What somewhat baffles me is that this has always been blamed on the "regional" pilot. That some how I am responsible for what YOU bargained away, weather in Bankruptcy or not. That you somehow expect me to quit going to work to feed my family for the benefit of yours. I have no illusions that your job... and shoes are better than mine, hence why most everyone is trying to get where you are.

So when the TA comes across your table for your review, don't be surprised when there is some twist on the numbers for larger jets to be operated by regional airlines. I can see it now, as your patting each other on the back for getting rid of all those 50 seaters a rather large increase in 86 seat jets will be the cost. You will most likely declare victory for not "really" giving in on scope.

In a week you will see what is at hand and as you so eloquently pointed out it will be decided by a DELTA pilot.

I was simply trying to start a dialog on what the DELTA pilot would be willing to use as currency to purchase back scope.

This is absolutely dead on. The man hit it out of the park.

I'd like to know who leaked these pay rates while holding back the scope details. Are we really nothing more than a bunch of housewives? "Oooohhh, look at the shiny baubles!!!"

Who leaked these rates and why????

 

[whymeworry?]

USAPA on a bad day is far better than ALPO on a good day!

ahhhhh, yer on crack if u think that way.

 

[General Lee]

NB Capt 12 yos $208, FO 12 yos $142

Not quite SWA rates but close.

NB? You mean MD88? Which NB? 320? 73n? All of them have different payrates. 12th year SWA FO I think is about $152 an hour. What about WB rates? You must have a pretty good source because most of the Reps are very quiet on this right now.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PuffDriver]

This is absolutely dead on. The man hit it out of the park.

I'd like to know who leaked these pay rates while holding back the scope details. Are we really nothing more than a bunch of housewives? "Oooohhh, look at the shiny baubles!!!"

Who leaked these rates and why????

He actually DIDN"T hit it out of the park. He obviously does not know about the intricacies of the Delta contract, yet feels compelled to comment. While some misguided Delta guys may try and blame connection pilots for their plight, most know that it is the Delta contract which sets that metric.

Connection ASMs are going away, and that right quickly. Something has to be there to be the accumulator. It will be the fabled 100 seat aircraft finally showing its teeth. 76 seat aircraft will take care of the small cities unable to make the 100 seaters profitable. 50 seat aircraft will become much more rare in the near future. More importantly, in this guy's opinion, is that Delta will regain the quality on its flights. I have yet to fly on a connection carrier where I have not been embarrassed at the way we treat our customers. Therein lies the key IMO.

Less exposure to connection and their employees, along with more exposure to mainline and our employees will mean a more dedicated customer to Delta--willing to pay that higher price for their ticket/accessories.

 

[Freebrd]

hey Puff you do realize that all gate and ramp agents at ATL for instance are DAL employees, and at outstations that ExpressJet flies to are a Delta Co (Reg Elite I think they're called). All we have are pilots, FAs, dispatchers, mechanics, and the G/O folks.

 

[flyboyike]

I have yet to fly on a connection carrier where I have not been embarrassed at the way we treat our customers. Therein lies the key IMO.

I'm yet to fly on ANY carrier and not be embarrassed.

 

[Raskal]

I'm yet to fly on ANY carrier and not be embarrassed.

Amen
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[Whataburger]

I saw it. Ain't bad. Nice job!

 

[MINIME]

You saw what? Spill the beans man.....

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Amen
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Recent flights on Emirates, KLM and Singapore - all good.
Recent flights in the US - all bad.

 

[SWA717]

Recent flights on Emirates, KLM and Singapore - all good.
Recent flights in the US - all bad.

Yes, and what is the common denominator of these foreign airlines? They are all state funded or subsidized. I'll take us air carrier pilots over any foreign airline.

 

[PuffDriver]

hey Puff you do realize that all gate and ramp agents at ATL for instance are DAL employees, and at outstations that ExpressJet flies to are a Delta Co (Reg Elite I think they're called). All we have are pilots, FAs, dispatchers, mechanics, and the G/O folks.

Right, that is what I am talking about. The "onboard" experience is embarrassing.