Delta TA-whos seen it?

[Lampshade]

nb? You mean md88? Which nb? 320? 73n? All of them have different payrates. 12th year swa fo i think is about $152 an hour. What about wb rates? You must have a pretty good source because most of the reps are very quiet on this right now.


Bye bye---general lee

777-200 ca 268.64 fo 183.49
767/ 757 ca 224.86 fo 153.58
737-700/800 ca215.63 fo 147.27
A320 ca 208.06 fo 142.11
A195 ca 162.91 fo 111.27
E190/CRJ700 ca 138.59 fo 94.65

 

[Freebrd]

Right, that is what I am talking about. The "onboard" experience is embarrassing.

How so? FAs? Pilots? Both? And how is a major any different these days? What about those lazy senior mamas?

 

[enuffalready]

777-200 ca 268.64 fo 183.49
767/ 757 ca 224.86 fo 153.58
737-700/800 ca215.63 fo 147.27
A320 ca 208.06 fo 142.11
A195 ca 162.91 fo 111.27
E190/CRJ700 ca 138.59 fo 94.65

are those the new Delta pay rates... ?

 

[ultrarunner]

A TA with only 6 weeks of negotiations? My take is the company want's something big...i.e, they want to BUY something, and need to have their cost-ducks in a row before presenting their "offer" to "whomever".... See where I'm coming from?

So, they open with an offer to give the pilots, say, a 20 percent hourly increase, with 90% of that front loaded. I suspect a short-term contract, say 3 to 4 years with some growth promises as a result of their "new" acquisition....

In addition DL agrees to park the 50 seaters (that 'aint to give back by the way) in return for some more 76 or 90 seaters.

DALPA now has a massive hard-on for this new found "growth", a little bit of cash and promises of more big planes due to the type of flying this new acquisition is going to provide with a possible new base, etc...

And they in-turn sell it to the membership.

And it passes and the pilot group wakes up in the morning realizing they are now working for the wage they had 6 years ago or longer, if that!

Stay tuned...

 

[texman]

777-200 ca 268.64 fo 183.49
767/ 757 ca 224.86 fo 153.58
737-700/800 ca215.63 fo 147.27
A320 ca 208.06 fo 142.11
A195 ca 162.91 fo 111.27
E190/CRJ700 ca 138.59 fo 94.65

Not bad if true.

 

[jetracer5]

About 30% pay raise across the board and scope was relaxed to some extent. Not sure on the rest of the details.

 

[Ridgeback]

Less exposure to connection and their employees, along with more exposure to mainline and our employees will mean a more dedicated customer to Delta--willing to pay that higher price for their ticket/accessories.

Your kidding right. We live in America, when has the upper end of price determined sales. Have you seen all the Wal-Marts and McDonalds driving down the road. Or are you suggesting their being torn down and replaced with Macy's and Texas de Brazils?

The consumer is driven by ONE thing and that is PRICE!!! I have yet to see a passenger standing at my gate waiting for the more expensive Delta Pilot to show to take them to XYZ as I push back.

 

[fam62c]

The only people who know what's in this thing have confidentiality agreements with the company, nobody on here knows jack.

 

[nwaf16dude]

The only people who know what's in this thing have confidentiality agreements with the company, nobody on here knows jack.

...and amazingly enough, very little, if any, real info is leaking from the people who know. Not sure if that is good or bad.

 

[FBN0223]

Any any additional flying given away to the DCIs will get my "NO" vote only because "F&@$ No" is not an option.

 

[General Lee]

777-200 ca 268.64 fo 183.49
767/ 757 ca 224.86 fo 153.58
737-700/800 ca215.63 fo 147.27
A320 ca 208.06 fo 142.11
A195 ca 162.91 fo 111.27
E190/CRJ700 ca 138.59 fo 94.65

Hmmm. Well, if those are the rates I guess they aren't bad. I will have to see the rest of the TA too. Thanks for sharing.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The only people who know what's in this thing have confidentiality agreements with the company, nobody on here knows jack.

So, there are never leaks? Sure there are, often by people who want to float it out there to see initial reaction. It might not be 100% true, but often it can be close.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jayme]

The only leaked part is the rates. Since they're pretty good, you can assume it's because they want to distract you so you don't notice the garbage in the fine print. I hate to say it, but I see you guys giving away more flying.

 

[General Lee]

The only leaked part is the rates. Since they're pretty good, you can assume it's because they want to distract you so you don't notice the garbage in the fine print. I hate to say it, but I see you guys giving away more flying.

No, there was a negotiator's notepad that had a pretty good amount of possible changes to some workrules. It went over OK, but there were some parts that may have needed fine tuning. Some of those sections could have been worked on again to supress the discontent from some of the groups.

You are right though, sometimes pilots are blinded by the money, and there will have to be that plus a lot of other improvements to get a majority to vote yes. Scope is the other big issue that came up in the initial survey, and there are many forms of scope. Not only RJs, but Joint Ventures and codeshares too. A lot needed to be cleaned up, and I don't know if everything can be cleaned up in one contract, although the company sure did want it done quickly. Hopefully that means there was some leverage applied. We'll see....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dan Roman]

That's what is so interesting. They got a TA so quickly. I can't imagine it is a bad one given that fact. You have to wonder what is going on.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Hmmm. Well, if those are the rates I guess they aren't bad. I will have to see the rest of the TA too. Thanks for sharing.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Those showed up on our website before here so id be suspect. Those are essentially our rates adjusted for hourly.

I hope you get them. I hope you get more actually.

 

[PuffDriver]

Your kidding right. We live in America, when has the upper end of price determined sales. Have you seen all the Wal-Marts and McDonalds driving down the road. Or are you suggesting their being torn down and replaced with Macy's and Texas de Brazils?

The consumer is driven by ONE thing and that is PRICE!!! I have yet to see a passenger standing at my gate waiting for the more expensive Delta Pilot to show to take them to XYZ as I push back.

Try again. Better yet, go look at the presentation given yesterday by Bastain. Suffice to say you are wrong.

 

[Hamfighter]

You'd think if those were the actual rates, there might be some mention of the 88/90.

 

[scarlet]

it just proves (in the future) a company can get a contract done in less than 5 years !

 

[jtf]

it just proves (in the future) a company can get a contract done in less than 5 years !

It proves nothing until it is ratified by the membership. Hopefully it really is good and doesn't screw everyone with scope. We need more raising the bar for sure.