Airtran MEC voted no

[jonjuan]

I didn't mean to have any racism in my post. The word minorities that I used meant the 90% of your pilots that may have been quietly overwhelmed by the vocal 10%(the minorities). I had to really think about how you replied. No racism implied what so ever.

Jeez man-is everyone this serious on here

 

[PCL_128]

It's simple, and not arogant. Every single one of my friends at AAI wanted this deal and actually expected it to pass the MEC so they could evaluate it and vote accordingly.

Your friends are hardly a scientific sample. By contrast, our representatives were keeping spreadsheets with the names of all of their constituents and how those pilots asked that the MEC vote. In the case of the MKE and MCO domiciles, since they are so small, those reps actually took the time to call every single one of their pilots to ask them personally how they wanted them to vote. It was quite easy for them to figure out the will of the majority. From what I hear, the tally that each rep came up with was overwhelmingly in favor of voting it down at the MEC level and not wasting time with a pilot group vote. But hey, I'm sure your "friends" are the pulse of the membership instead.

 

[OldManPilot]

Just a curious question. If pay rates were reduced for the 717, and then vacancies needed filled, how would they fill them? new hires forced to work the 717 instead of the 737? I hope you see my point. I'm old and don't have many years of flying left, but I would hate to see this squabble effect someone just getting into the industry unfairly.

 

[redflyer65]

Yet, more than one rep never answered or responded to phone calls placed. I'm glad you have glossy spreadsheats though. This is going to be real interesting to see how this plays out. Where's that popcorn again?

 

[GuppyWN]

SWA hired a hand full of ATA pilots, while AirTran, (4 times smaller company) hired dozens. Not to mention the fact that AirTran had no obligation to hire any since SWA walked away with the prize.

And where did those ATA pilots start at Airtran?

Let me tell you. At a higher seniority than Airtran offered them in their offer! Airtran offered to buy a controlling interest of ATA assets and offered their pilots - squadoosh!

Gup

 

[redflyer65]

Just a curious question. If pay rates were reduced for the 717, and then vacancies needed filled, how would they fill them? new hires forced to work the 717 instead of the 737? I hope you see my point. I'm old and don't have many years of flying left, but I would hate to see this squabble effect someone just getting into the industry unfairly.

In the end, I see the 717 being fenced at it's present payscale. SWAPA and SW won't be motivated to pay more at this point. That offer is gone. Gary wants low training cost so he will push for the fence, SWAPA will agree leading to lower 717 cost and the only new training would be newhires as you said.

RF

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

In the end, I see the 717 being fenced at it's present payscale. SWAPA and SW won't be motivated to pay more at this point. That offer is gone. Gary wants low training cost so he will push for the fence, SWAPA will agree leading to lower 717 cost and the only new training would be newhires as you said.

RF

I thought the 71's were going to Delta, no wait, it was Finair, no Quantas connect, or Africa?

In the big picture, is it in SWAPA's best interest to pay less on an a/c with the same seating capacity of some a/c you already fly?

 

[redflyer65]

I thought the 71's were going to Delta, no wait, it was Finair, no Quantas connect, or Africa?

In the big picture, is it in SWAPA's best interest to pay less on an a/c with the same seating capacity of some a/c you already fly?

I have no idea if the 717 says or goes, but the payrate will be decided by SWAPA along with other contract items..if it gets that far.

 

[Cometman]

I thought the 71's were going to Delta, no wait, it was Finair, no Quantas connect, or Africa?

In the big picture, is it in SWAPA's best interest to pay less on an a/c with the same seating capacity of some a/c you already fly?

It would if there is a long fence. That way the Trannies will not get the pay. They need to feel the pain for their MEC vote. They deserve nothing more.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

You do know we have 737s right?

 

[Nindiri]

In the end, I see the 717 being fenced at it's present payscale. SWAPA and SW won't be motivated to pay more at this point. That offer is gone. Gary wants low training cost so he will push for the fence, SWAPA will agree leading to lower 717 cost and the only new training would be newhires as you said.

RF

I see. A new B-scale for new-hires. This gets better all the time.

 

[zippy32]

This is all an exercise in futility. I don't think anyone is going to change anyone else's mind at this point. Having said that I guess I'll go ahead and throw my worthless 2 cents out there.

SWA guys argue that they are bringing the industry leading contract to this deal and that the AAI guys are reaping the benefits of the the SWA pilots labor, gaining a windfall in the form of huge pay raises and QOL scheduling improvements.

The AAI guys counter that it is NOT the SWAPA guys that are paying the checks, that it is GK and SWA the company who is paying. They continue that the AAI pilots are not taking anything from the SWAPA guys. Furthermore they contend they are bringing their own jets and ATL gates with them, therefore they aren't taking any Captain seats from the SWA guys. They are bringing their own seats with them.

Now here is where the logic fails, in my humble opinion. If the SWA pilots are NOT responsible for bringing the large contractual gains to the acquisition, then how is it that the AAI guys get credit for bringing the jets to the table? It seems like they are trying to have it both ways.

How is it that the SWAPA pilots deserve no ownership of their contract with their company, yet the AAI guys deserve ownership of captain seats because they are bringing their company brought over some jets? It needs to cut both ways.

 

[On Your Six]

Just a curious question. If pay rates were reduced for the 717, and then vacancies needed filled, how would they fill them? new hires forced to work the 717 instead of the 737? I hope you see my point. I'm old and don't have many years of flying left, but I would hate to see this squabble effect someone just getting into the industry unfairly.

You really are old. Newhire pay on future 717 spots will be higher at SWA compared to old AT rates, period. Even if rates are lowered a bit, they will still be better. Look Pops, why do you care about future newhire rates? You should be concerned about getting your current conflict under control via mediation or arbitration, and THEN go for better newhire rates, which will be better at SWA anyway. How old are you? You're still giving the French Army in WWII a bad name. Man up Pops!



OYS

 

[Sacha]

I thought the 71's were going to Delta, no wait, it was Finair, no Quantas connect, or Africa?

In the big picture, is it in SWAPA's best interest to pay less on an a/c with the same seating capacity of some a/c you already fly?

Who cares? We won't be flying them, you will. They won't be on the property long anyways. The arby can't tell us which aircraft to keep, who will be flying them or what said aircraft will pay. But hey, you guys were able to vote on that so this is old news to you. First there will a giant fence around ATL. Then there will be this giant sucking sound around the Airtran pilot parking lot.

 

[On Your Six]

In the end, I see the 717 being fenced at it's present payscale. SWAPA and SW won't be motivated to pay more at this point. That offer is gone. Gary wants low training cost so he will push for the fence, SWAPA will agree leading to lower 717 cost and the only new training would be newhires as you said.

RF

Oh that is crazy and a scare tactic. Still trying to use pay as a threat to get something unfairly. GK would be NUTS to fence current rates. That is LAME Red. The SLI will be settled, and there won't be a B-Scale, or training costs would skyrocket, people would be unhappy, and maybe most 717 pilots would be disgruntled, which might not allow them to "feel the LUV", and that could affect other things. GK doesn't want that. Just get ready for arbitration and go forward, without crazy threats that are unlikely.



OYS