Airtran MEC voted no

[4day]

We will abide by the arbitrator's award and move on as a combined company. That's what was agreed to at the beginning of this process, and honorable people honor their agreements, just as Captain Chase said in his latest update.

Good to here. Hope it comes true....For all of us...

 

[Bwipilot]

The nice part for the SWA guys is that we still get to work under our contract while the whole thing plays out.

I'd say SWA guys aren't as afraid of arbitration is that we're wondering as a group why the Airtran MEC wouldn't even let it go to a vote. Most SWA guys expected more from the AIP but were at least taking a look at it. Our wonder is more like, "What the #@*& do the AAI guys expect?"

As many have noted before, the more the AAI pilots steer towards relative seniority, the harder the SWA pilots push for staple or if not, then fence and flush. It's going to be a long, nasty affair. The AIP wasn't great for either side--but it would've been better than the highway this mesh is going to go down.

Signing off until Jan 1st. Maybe a New Year will bring something better.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

If we had merged with Delta it would have been far different. AT is not Delta...sorry if that stings. It doesn't make me better than you. But my job and future at SWA is far better than your job and future at AT. That's all there is to it. Nothing personal.

The arrogance is SO top-notch!!

I just sat down with a big 'ol bag of popcorn for this show.

Good on ya AT group.....some at SWA need some humility.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

The nice part for the SWA guys is that we still get to work under our contract while the whole thing plays out.

I'd say SWA guys aren't as afraid of arbitration is that we're wondering as a group why the Airtran MEC wouldn't even let it go to a vote. Most SWA guys expected more from the AIP but were at least taking a look at it. Our wonder is more like, "What the #@*& do the AAI guys expect?"

As many have noted before, the more the AAI pilots steer towards relative seniority, the harder the SWA pilots push for staple or if not, then fence and flush. It's going to be a long, nasty affair. The AIP wasn't great for either side--but it would've been better than the highway this mesh is going to go down.

Signing off until Jan 1st. Maybe a New Year will bring something better.

Fence?? This is Rich!!!!

 

[Lear70]

AirTran gave Gary a clear message on what they think of Southwest.

YGBFSM... Really???

It's a clear message on what was thought of the SIA, not of Southwest.

Who writes these things? Passive-Aggressive lately? lol

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You weren't invited to the party pal. You came along with an Uncle and at first we said, ok, enjoy yourself. Then you got drunk and threw up on my Uncle and trashed the house before you passed out in the bathtub. We just don't want to see you for awhile, if at all. So yeah, I guess you could say don't F'n piss us off.

Classic!!!

Canyon wants to fondle the uncle before showing him the door!!!

Get over yourselves!!

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Maybe he is one of those military guys you and Sean Penn hate so much.

Sacha, you're an agnry tool.
I don't hate military guys, but if you don't think there is a lot of "waste" in DoD then talk to oyur FOs, they will fill you in.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I hate to be Debbie Downer, but I see that as less and less likely. I've heard some rather interesting stories about how AAI crews have recently interacted with ours. Already getting ugly out on the line.

Begging for a staple (from anyone) just prior to the SW announcement, and now wanting their seniority AND the SW contract as a kicker. That's a pretty huge 'Snake River Canyon' jump. Most people would be quick to agree.

RF

Not me Red.....when your boys bust out a stapler "or else"......the BS is floating to the top watching you SWA guys get your panties in a wad....You all knew It was a POS from the day you floated it hoping the AT group would buy the veiled "man behind the holding company" threats and now ya gotta actually prove to an arbitrator that you are so special!!!

Defensive? Having a Midol Moment? you'd never know it by the "rational" threats being tossed out by SWA types.

 

[canyonblue]

Lumbcrap is back, I guess Little Caesars closes at 11. :laugh:

 

[canyonblue]

It cant be any where near that proposal so we only can get better.

The same thing said by two different sides, can't wait to see this.

 

[puddlejumper101]

I am 99.9% sure a arbitration ruling , regardless of who has the favor, would never be challenged by ATN pilots. It cant be any where near that proposal so we only can get better. Will SWAPA take the ball and go home until GK say's you have to share? Or stay and play two on two with Delta. Not looking for a argument just asking.

Hey I hope someone in Dallas is currently writing the "how to get over SLI agreement". Right now there is too much emotion, once arbitration is over hopefully cooler heads will prevail. I even caught myself yesterday and today being caught up emotionally with this...then I hung out with a two year old all day and that's when it hit me, somehow this will all get fixed and I have bigger fish to fry. Dude don't stress over it, especially since we have no say either way.

 

[canyonblue]

Hey I hope someone in Dallas is currently writing the "how to get over SLI agreement".

Or they could be reading "Fragmentation for Dummies"

 

[Sacha]

Sacha, you're an agnry tool.
I don't hate military guys, but if you don't think there is a lot of "waste" in DoD then talk to oyur FOs, they will fill you in.

Dude, you need spell check. So you have gone from telling one of our guys "he was just sitting around wasting fuel in Iraq while you were paying your dues suffering at Airtran". Then you challenge him as to whether or not he ever really was engaged in any serious air-to-air. Now it's just a matter of a little waste at the DOD. With arrogance and stupidity of that magnitude, I have to conclude that you must be one of the Valuejet Super Scabs.

 

[SWA/FO]

I haven't see a real tranny in MDW since 9/27/10. I think they all hide in the lower dungeon of the A terminal.

Some of you trannys talk as if 2's are wild, they arent....you are just holding a pair of 2's. The problem is the tranny insurgency! Its crazy.


Tranny insurgency



TRANNY ALPA MECTraining Video
:cartman:

 

[Hpilot]

Apples and oranges brother. If it's relative, I seriously doubt the list will ever be acted on, but good luck with that.

Bro, I understand. Look at the AWA/US arbitration, it still hasn't been acted on. Top 500 pilots of failing airline put on top and 4 year AWA FO's put ahead of 10+ yr US FO's, who were never furloughed. Just telling you what arbitration will most likely bring.

 

[bravodude]

We will abide by the arbitrator's award and move on as a combined company. That's what was agreed to at the beginning of this process, and honorable people honor their agreements, just as Captain Chase said in his latest update.

Thats the funniest statement that I have heard...AT, PCL128 and honorable in the same sentence.

 

[waveflyer]

The arrogance is SO top-notch!!

I just sat down with a big 'ol bag of popcorn for this show.

Good on ya AT group.....some at SWA need some humility.

And IF we sell the 717's to delta--- what will you be arguing for Bill?
Same or worse- you'll just be arguing that it's the size of your airplanes that bring pay to justify it- when our argument is that our business model brings pay that justifies it.

I wish that irony on you...
But I bet you'd just agree to outsource them to skywest

 

[Flycatcher99]

YGBFSM... Really???

It's a clear message on what was thought of the SIA, not of Southwest.

Who writes these things? Passive-Aggressive lately? lol

Lear, not trying to put words in Steve's mouth, but I'm pretty sure the implication here is that by turning down the AIP by a 7-1 vote (which is essentially throwing it back in SWA's face), one could deduce that the aai mec doesn't place much inherent value in a career at SWA, and thus SWA in general.

For all the bitching and moaning about insufficient relative seniority (ice cream) to go along with extravagant pay and benefits (cake and cookies), you would think aai pilots were being invited to work in some craptastic dump with bill lumbergh as their boss.

Thus, the comment about AAI's opinion of SWA.

 

[Formula 1]

Lear, not trying to put words in Steve's mouth, but I'm pretty sure the implication here is that by turning down the AIP by a 7-1 vote (which is essentially throwing it back in SWA's face), one could deduce that the aai mec doesn't place much inherent value in a career at SWA, and thus SWA in general.

For all the bitching and moaning about insufficient relative seniority (ice cream) to go along with extravagant pay and benefits (cake and cookies), you would think aai pilots were being invited to work in some craptastic dump with bill lumbergh as their boss.

Thus, the comment about AAI's opinion of SWA.

http://youtu.be/HZh9AL8yoo8

 

[ivauir]

We will abide by the arbitrator's award and move on as a combined company. That's what was agreed to at the beginning of this process, and honorable people honor their agreements, just as Captain Chase said in his latest update.

PCL,

Very gracious of you. You get a 50%+ raise and finish at #2 (regardless of integration methodology). i gently suggest you come off of that high horse. A fall from such a height could be harmful to a man of your stature.

Consider this fact: the only document in this process guaranteeing integration was SL9/LOA.