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The numbers were far less, then the MC negotiated them up to 850. If it was up to SWA management, the base would be much smaller. So, the idea that it could be more in the near future is incredibly unlikely.
 
PCL_128 said:
The numbers were far less, then the MC negotiated them up to 850. If it was up to SWA management, the base would be much smaller. So, the idea that it could be more in the near future is incredibly unlikely.
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I wonder which ALPA official keeps leaking all of this information before the entire package comes out?
 
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I don't know if it's intentional or not in the leaks. I know swapa has been very quite....not sure if that's good or bad. But I do know the leaks from ALPA have put a lot of swa folks in a tail spin. I'm sure everyone knows that if we vote down the sli proposed by Gary we may look very bad to an arbitrator. We are in a very precarious position. With that being said I'm waiting to see the ACTUAL sli. There has already been so much wrong info put out I don't know what to believe!

With that being said I know there are a lot of great people at Airtran. There are great people at swa. I know y'all have busted your butt to make Airtran what it is. But please know we all have done the same at swa. I've had more than one shirt soaked with sweat pulling strollers out for the ramp guys. We got screwed by age 65 so of course we are concerned about this also. I do look forward putting this behind us....
 
if we vote down the sli proposed by Gary we may look very bad to an arbitrator
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No true, process agreement prohibits consideration of all things prior to arbitration. When arbitration starts, the game starts from square one on each side without consideration of previous deals or votes.
 
Thanks scoreboard...and I know the process agreement says that but I still have a concern for it. Trust me I have no problem voting no. But I've decided to wait for the road shows to make my decision. I hope it's not like ta1 and 2...selling a 1979 gremlin for 1 million dollars just because it has a set of nice 20 inch rims...there are so many leaks and wrong info out there you don't know what is real or true. I kind of wish swapa wasn't so quite but I guess I've got to wait out the process.
 
Sorry I mean quiet....da&n iPhone and it's auto spell...I can never remember to turn that function off.
 
swa737-700 said:
....except for alpo
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Not quite. ALPA fought hard to keep age 60 for (if I recall corrctly) almost 30 years. During that time SWAPA was heavily involved with the PPA(F?) to get age 60 overturned. When the writing was on the wall for the change(2007) ALPA changed it's stance and decided to support the rule change with an eye to having some impact into how it was written.

I was never a supporter of the rule change and was less than pleased when ALPA National changed its stance.

You are being very dishonest when you purport ALPA to have been heavily involved in the 49 year fight to change the rule.

ALPA has got a lot of very serious problems but you don't have to make up lies.
 
Another home run for honesty!

ALPA kept this at 60 till they decided 65 was best, no way around thinking 5000 SWAPA pilots had any sway against 70,000 ALPA'ites. SWAPA ain't the "300".

 
I was told swa pilots would never have to throw gear for a former airtran captain that was junior to him. With this supposed 10yr AT captain fence, there must be something else in the agreement that would prevent that from happening. We'll see.
 
Tripower455 said:
And yet, it didn't change until ALPA wanted it to........
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You guys make me laugh. On one hand you all say ALPA can't get crap done, weak, ineffective, blah...blah...blah... On the other ALPA was able to get the age 60 rule changed overnight. So, which is it? The rule was changing anyway. ALPA jumped on board at the last minute. A crappy move in my opinion.

We all get it. ALPA is the focus if evil in the modern world. Independant unions rule. Or I should say rule as long as they are initialed SWAPA. I don't think you have much use for the APA. And FAPA certainly didn't fare too well with you guys.

My best buddy is a '93 hire at SWA. I know life there is pretty great for you guys. I'm glad the independant thing works there. But the reason it works there is because you have an incredibly enlightened and labor-friendly management. Look at IPA. Those guys are more tight-knit and united than FDX guys will ever be. That still didn't stop their management from furloughing pilots while the company is raking in hundreds of millions in profits. We tried the independant union here. Management ate us for lunch. And our management is pretty benign, as airline managements go. In fact, the biggest complaint that I hear concerning ALPA at FDX is that we are not militant enough.

ALPA has enough problems without you guys posting untrue information.

My original post was in response to an SWA F/O complaining about the age change. Something his mighty and beloved SWAPA had advocated for many years.

I didn't mean to steer this away from the original subject of this thread.
I hope the best for both SWA and AAI pilots. May you be able to put aside your differences and work together to help keep SWA the great place that it is.

Oh yeah. One more thing. This is from our 7/19 FDX ALPA news letter. Looks like some guys think that SWA isn't the be all/end all after all.;)

"FedEx Express began a group of 19 pilot new hires on July 11. Seven of these new hires are going to the ANC domicile as MD-11 First Officers. The 12 remaining new hires are being trained as MEM B727 First Officers. This class of pilots came from a variety of backgrounds. We have pilots joining us from USAF, USN, USAFR, USNR, USMCR, ANG, Southwest, OMNI Air International, XTRA Airways, Pinnacle, SkyWest, and Air Cargo Carriers. "
 
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fr8doggie said:
You guys make me laugh. On one hand you all say ALPA can't get crap done, weak, ineffective, blah...blah...blah... On the other ALPA was able to get the age 60 rule changed overnight. So, which is it? The rule was changing anyway. ALPA jumped on board at the last minute. A crappy move in my opinion.
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Exactly....... As much as the SW age 60 guys think so, SWApA had very little to nothing to do with the age 60 change. Washington didn't give a darn until ALPA wanted it changed.
 
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fr8doggie said:
You guys make me laugh.
Oh yeah. One more thing. This is from our 7/19 FDX ALPA news letter. Looks like some guys think that SWA isn't the be all/end all after all.;)

"FedEx Express began a group of 19 pilot new hires on July 11. Seven of these new hires are going to the ANC domicile as MD-11 First Officers. The 12 remaining new hires are being trained as MEM B727 First Officers. This class of pilots came from a variety of backgrounds. We have pilots joining us from USAF, USN, USAFR, USNR, USMCR, ANG, Southwest, OMNI Air International, XTRA Airways, Pinnacle, SkyWest, and Air Cargo Carriers. "
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Right, and in the late 90's you box boy's were leaving in droves to greener pastures like UAL, AMR, DAL, ect....How that work for those guy's?

Enjoy your ride there my friend, your junior new hires may or may not have made a wise choice. as always time will tell.

Regards
 
SWAPAExecs SWAPA Execs
by SWAPA_NC
The BOD has convened in DAL for the special BOD meeting to vet the SLI agreement. Thanks for your patience. We've got a lot to discuss!
 
koko nw said:
Right, and in the late 90's you box boy's were leaving in droves to greener pastures like UAL, AMR, DAL, ect....How that work for those guy's?
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Not so good...

In fact we had a 727 Capt quit FDX and go to AMR. The date...first week of September, 2001.

And I am enjoying my time here. I'm incredibly lucky to have been hired here. I hope that we can all, somehow enjoy a fulfilling career in our chosen profession.

The sanctimoniousness and "holier than thou" of some on this board is pretty sad.:(
 
GuppyWN said:
Considering the fact that both sides signed a NDA, I'd say that I give a rip. Leaking rumors to sway one side or the other without interpreting the entire document is wrong and you know it.

Gup
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I don't think our reps signed a NDA.
 
fr8doggie said:
Not so good...

In fact we had a 727 Capt quit FDX and go to AMR. The date...first week of September, 2001.

Man don't I know it, most of us have watched friends make many a painful decisions pre and post 9/11. Some have worked out better then others.

And I am enjoying my time here. I'm incredibly lucky to have been hired here. I hope that we can all, somehow enjoy a fulfilling career in our chosen profession.

The sanctimoniousness and "holier than thou" of some on this board is pretty sad.:(

Cheers, I can certainly drink to that. All the Best

Koko
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Now back to the regularly scheduled springer show.
 
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GuppyWN said:
Fine. Explain to me how your reps found out details from closed negotiations? Of which the only peeps in the room HAD signed NDA's?

Gup
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Remember, our entire MEC had a meeting with Gary Kelly and other managers that week. They didn't just get info second hand. I haven't heard anything about a NDA for that meeting, and I'm sure our reps wouldn't violate one if there had been one.
 

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