What's 357 Done For You Lately?

[trainer8]

Let's get together already...... and give me your seat. The arbitrator said I could have it....... SO GIVE IT TO ME. Let's get together already! Screw your career..... GIVE ME THAT SEAT!! Let's get together already.....

I remember this happening 5 years ago, at US Airways. Everybody trashed the East for the same reasons. Arbitrator awarded West ahead of East in portions of the Nicolau. Same song, different author. STS ruling will be FAPA's nirvana or abaddon.

 

[F9 Driver]

mmhmm, but, you don't know what he said, do you?

"We are in this together, with the backing of the IBT Airline Division, to obtain an industry leading con- tract that addresses all flying as a part of our professional pilot group. And we expect our management to treat us the same. The days of division are over."

Want another prediction?

 

[trainer8]

"We are in this together, with the backing of the IBT Airline Division, to obtain an industry leading con- tract that addresses all flying as a part of our professional pilot group. And we expect our management to treat us the same. The days of division are over."

Want another prediction?

No, and no, again. Not in my copy.

 

[Toobdrvr]

Arbitrator has dismissed IBT's complaint as outside his jurisdiction...

 

[F9 Driver]

You seem to make alot of predictions with no evidence to back it up.... Let's get together already......

1)"The Q400 grievance is a loser"
***We'll see. When is that arbitration scheduled?
2)"the Airbus vacancy is a loser"
***lost 3/20/11
3)"having pay tied to seats rather than MGTOW was a loser"
*** lost 8/5/10
4)"the much vaunted Scope has cost the membership seven years of sub-standard wages in hopes of something better down the road"
***Costing net present value today and everyday
5)"and the SLI/STS is a coin toss with another seven years of low wages as the upside potential."
***Read the SLI award and wait for the NMB to rule - We'll see. I could be wrong, but I'm doing better here than on my NCAA brackets.

I think I'll hold off on the kumbaya at Hoffa's place. I think neutral ground - ALPA - may be the place for our combined group to get some purchase and align for future struggles.

 

[Airline Driver]

ALPA will sign away scope faster than I can sign my name on a release!! They Don't care about anything accept how much more money they can generate from Pilots. They are out for themselves like all Unions. Unfortunately Unions are a necessary evil in our industry. Allot of hostility could have been avoided between our Pilot Groups, "IF" "FAPA", agreed to represent the RAH pilot group. They said from day 1, "WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN REPRESENTING REGIONAL PILOTS"!!! Great Way to start things off!!!! At the time I believe 747 was still up and running with olé' Sewell at the helm. Many of us were looking for a way out of Teamsters and had hoped FAPA would take over as the new Union of Our Combined Companies!!! NOT NOW!!!! The Problem is FAPA lives in a bubble and thinks that they are the only Airline involved in this mess. Things have come to a USAIR/AMERICA WEST situation, or very close to it. I'm not totally happy with Teamsters, but I'll take them over ALPA or FAPA for that Matter. 357 has come along way from the 747 days. We have to ALL stop looking at things from a "WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME", standpoint and start looking at our future as a whole for our airline. Coming together is the only way that will happen. United we stand, Divided we fall. The Arbitrator ruled, Move on, Everyone is pissed so it must have been a fair integration. You can't expect to get everything you ask for!!! Now we need to start working toward Uniting and getting some Fair Compensation, Work Rules, The whole nine yards!! Industries change, and it will continue to change and evolve in ways we can't predict. A holding company that owns regional airlines purchased two mainline Carriers, BIG DEAL!!!!!!!! If it means the survival of the entity as a whole, it was a smart business decision! That's the key it's business, and Management does not give a !@#$% about any crew member which is why we need to unite as CREW MEMBERS!!!!! If your not Happy , then find something else to do. Working together is the only way we will make Management Here our Voice!!!! Divided, and Management has the Ball!!!

 

[The Drizzle]

That wasn't just a wall of text, that was a wall of catchphrases too.

 

[F9 Driver]

Ouch. My eyes hurt.

And, believe me - the IBT 747 reps never asked FAPA to represent the RAH pilot group. They asked what FAPA could do FOR the IBT, but never the other way around (and it was the Trustee of 747 at the time, Dan Brannan - danbrannan.com - who made the pitch.)

The same feelings you have toward FAPA, FAPA pilots have toward 357. An in house union has little chance of successfully representing a group where 30% of the pilots contribute >50% of the dues, while the other 70% account for the majority of the union's cost (dispute etc.)

We need a fresh start if the goal is truly "unity".

 

[BUDDHA145]

Let's get together already...... and give me your seat. The arbitrator said I could have it....... SO GIVE IT TO ME. Let's get together already! Screw your career..... GIVE ME THAT SEAT!! Let's get together already.....

Look everyone!! a troll is out of the kindergarden. W Heller is this you again??

 

[Airline Driver]

Ouch. My eyes hurt.

And, believe me - the IBT 747 reps never asked FAPA to represent the RAH pilot group. They asked what FAPA could do FOR the IBT, but never the other way around (and it was the Trustee of 747 at the time, Dan Brannan - danbrannan.com - who made the pitch.)

The same feelings you have toward FAPA, FAPA pilots have toward 357. An in house union has little chance of successfully representing a group where 30% of the pilots contribute >50% of the dues, while the other 70% account for the majority of the union's cost (dispute etc.)

We need a fresh start if the goal is truly "unity".

My Eyes hurt just reading this dumb thread, but it's too entertaining to complaine!! I agree with your Second Paragraph, We do need a fresh start! ALPA'S not the Answerer, Nor is FAPA or TEAMSTERS. However your first Paragraph your way off. FAPA said from day 1 they have no interest in coming together with "REGIONAL" pilots! The Reason why IBT 747 never asked to be represented BY FAPA Was because FAPA said from the Start they have no interest in representing RAH pilots. So FAPA never gave them the opportunity to ask! "We fly an Airbus", "we are mainline", "we are better". I'm not saying we don't have our 10% but our job is the same. We fly Airplanes under 121.. All parties involved nead to accept change and move on that's my point. Working against each other doesn't do any crew member any good. Management just sits there and laughs. FAPA has allot to learn about RAH management, believe me!!!! FAPA and 357 need to start working together.. PERIOD!!!! Time to lower the weapons sit down and have real talks to help each other and come together as a United Pilot Group....PEROID!!!!!

 

[F9 Driver]

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[Cardinal]

"We fly an Airbus", "we are mainline", "we are better". I'm not saying we don't have our 10% but our job is the same. We fly Airplanes under 121..

You mischaracterize the feelings among the FAPA group. Flying a bigger airplane doesn't make your johnson longer, this eltitism stuff is a farce. From the beginning, FAPA pilots had everything to lose and nothing to gain. An integration of the lists was going to cost us numbers. An integrated contract has the potential to cost us pay/work rules. RAH pilots have nothing we want. I can comfortably posit that not one Frontier pilot wants to be a CMH E170 Captain.

That is why FAPA has and continues to resist integration.

 

[trainer8]

Can't wait to see it. You guys do realize that the "FAPA - ALPA raid" is just Willson Polling about your preferences in representation.

Don't you?

Just heard that RAH management admitted that they released personal employee info to ALPA for Willson Polling. Can you say "collusion?"

 

[trainer8]

Arbitrator has dismissed IBT's complaint as outside his jurisdiction...

Source?

 

[Airline Driver]

You mischaracterize the feelings among the FAPA group. Flying a bigger airplane doesn't make your johnson longer, this eltitism stuff is a farce. From the beginning, FAPA pilots had everything to lose and nothing to gain. An integration of the lists was going to cost us numbers. An integrated contract has the potential to cost us pay/work rules. RAH pilots have nothing we want. I can comfortably posit that not one Frontier pilot wants to be a CMH E170 Captain.

That is why FAPA has and continues to resist integration.

Everything to Lose and Nothing to Gain?????? Ahh, well that's not entirely correct, infact your way off the mark. You have everything to gain, how about the ability to keep a paycheck while sitting in your Airbus. How about the ability to improve work rules with 3 more Pilot groups to come up with a Combined Contract with Added Pay/Benefits/Work Rules!! Working TOGETHER on the best aspects of th Frontier/Midwest/RAH/LYNX contract can only benefit us ALL. No one says you have to fly a 170, but I bet with the Right pay you would not mind Flying Left seat in a 190/195. RAH Pilots have nothing you want??? How about SCOPE, you get rid of that and your giving away jobs or possible future growth! I have no I'll will towards any FAPA pilot, I think Frontier is a Fantastic Group of people who care very much for their Airline. Would it not behoove them to accept change and move forward to better secure the future of the company? I have been through A merger already coming from "Old Shuttle America". Mergers are tough in the short run but can benefit in the Long Run!! The Key is to move on but not every one looks at things optimistically. It's much easier to look at the negative aspects....and that's Sad!!!

 

[A320kid]

Everything to Lose and Nothing to Gain? Ahh, well that's not entirely correct, infact your way off the mark. You have everything to gain, how about the ability to keep a paycheck while sitting in your Airbus. How about the ability to improve work rules with 3 more Pilot groups to come up with a Combined Contract with Added Pay/Benefits/Work Rules!

Working TOGETHER on the best aspects of the Frontier/Midwest/RAH/LYNX contract can only benefit us ALL. No one says you have to fly a 170, but I bet with the Right pay you would not mind Flying Left seat in a 190/195.

RAH Pilots have nothing you want? How about SCOPE, you get rid of that and your giving away jobs or possible future growth! I have no I'll will towards any FAPA pilot, I think Frontier is a Fantastic Group of people who care very much for their Airline. Would it not behoove them to accept change and move forward to better secure the future of the company?

I have been through A merger already coming from "Old Shuttle America". Mergers are tough in the short run but can benefit in the Long Run! The Key is to move on but not every one looks at things optimistically. It's much easier to look at the negative aspects....and that's Sad!

Helped you out bud. Try hitting return once in a while and try not to sound like a 13 year old girl texting.... Ok back to the RAH ignorance.

~~Your list, Your voice, Your pathetic contract~~

 

[F9 Driver]

Just heard that RAH management admitted that they released personal employee info to ALPA for Willson Polling. Can you say "collusion?"

Facts ARE stubborn things. IBT gave unredacted seniority lists to FAPA, UTU, and ALPA early in the SLI process. Can you say "denial?"

 

[Airline Driver]

Helped you out bud. Try hitting return once in a while and try not to sound like a 13 year old girl texting.... Ok back to the RAH ignorance.

~~Your list, Your voice, Your pathetic contract~~

I thank you for the lesson Sir........... I did not realize that flight info had upped it's standards requiring me to post with proper grammar, punctuation, spelling not to mention the correct use of the mighty return key!!!!

RAH ignorance....Hmmmm Those who live in a bubble or glass houses should not throw stoans......

 

[BORG]

I thank you for the lesson Sir........... I did not realize that flight info had upped it's standards requiring me to post with proper grammar, punctuation, spelling not to mention the correct use of the mighty return key!!!!

RAH ignorance....Hmmmm Those who live in a bubble or glass houses should not throw stoans......

Hahaha!

 

[Toobdrvr]

Also, "its" and "it's" are not interchangeable...