The Greatest Windfall in the HISTORY OF AVIATION!

[purdue_pilot]

Ok, stupid question... how does this effect someone getting hired at RAH now?

 

[F9 A319]

Why for God's sake?

Run, don't come here.

Seriously consider if there is ANYthing you could do for a living other than this and be happy. I mean seriously consider.

Make money, be happy, buy a small plane (or make lots of money and buy a large plane )and fly it on your days off if you really want to fly.

Sorry, it just isn't worth it anymore.

 

[Cardinal]

Ok, stupid question... how does this effect someone getting hired at RAH now?

It doesn't hardly. They'd get hired as the junior RJ FO, #30XX, and in the absolute worst case they have a couple hundred furloughed Lynx + Midwest guys start class subsequently with marginally higher seniority. End result, they're a junior RJ FO. This scenario is wildly unlikely of course, because the Midwest guys have already had the opportunity to get in RJ classes and for the most part haven't. Lynx guys are scattered to the wind, pissed to boot, and many of them won't come back to exercise their number either. A hypothetical RAH newhire may feel a few dozen numbers worth of backslide down the road. A tiny blip.

Oh, but our newhire does get to join this merry band of bitter factions, be used like a 3 dollar whore by Indy, and fly pointy jets.

 

[Bolo]

Two things,

1) What is Lynx?

2) Frontier guys sound like they have "Big airplane" envy like US Airways East pilots do! Except for F9, big airplanes are A-319's and Airways East Pilots have A-330's. Just an observation..No dog in this fight, got my own dog to worry about.

Then why stir up the pot? Keep worrying about your own dog!

 

[jacksjj]

Now our most senior captain is over 300 numbers from a captain slot.

You have Lynx guys in class this VERY second to be a captain, on the Republic certificate.

 

[USMC319]

2) Frontier guys sound like they have "Big airplane" envy like US Airways East pilots do! Except for F9, big airplanes are A-319's and Airways East Pilots have A-330's. Just an observation..No dog in this fight, got my own dog to worry about.

The F9 "Big airplane envy" (whatever that is supposed to mean)? Are you curious why Frontier pilots are being protective of what they earned, which was a progression to the Airbus A-320 series with a contract that was closer to what the USAir A-330 guys had than their narrow body guys and worlds better than the next best group of pilots in this SLI fiasco. Is that the dog you're trying to piss off?

 

[dougdrvr]

the Midwest guys have already had the opportunity to get in RJ classes .

I love how you phrase that as an "opportunity". And the 250+ furloughed Midwest guys have a seniority number per the SLI. Anyone hired from now on had better have a number behind them.

 

[xrated]

The F9 "Big airplane envy" (whatever that is supposed to mean)? Are you curious why Frontier pilots are being protective of what they earned, which was a progression to the Airbus A-320 series with a contract that was closer to what the USAir A-330 guys had than their narrow body guys and worlds better than the next best group of pilots in this SLI fiasco. Is that the dog you're trying to piss off?

F9 was bankrupt, just like USAir (East)...right?

Been there done that!

 

[hockeypilot44]

They should be sipping champagne. I've been at the RAH for over 3 years and I have someone that was hired 2 years after me at Lynx ahead of me. So much for upgrade.

I think the list should have been straight DOH for EVERYONE. Actually, I think DOH should be the standard for airline integrations. Unfortunately my opinion does not matter and early 1990's hires at Midwest were merged in with 2007 hires at Chautauqua.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I think it's funny how there are Republic guys that are pissed that the Lynx pilots were merged in as pilots. I don't get it. Lynx was closer in pay and work rules to Republic than Republic is to Frontier and the former Midwest. I think the Lynx captains should have been in Tier 1 with the other active captains.

 

[Airline Driver]

I think it's funny how there are Republic guys that are pissed that the Lynx pilots were merged in as pilots. I don't get it. Lynx was closer in pay and work rules to Republic than Republic is to Frontier and the former Midwest. I think the Lynx captains should have been in Tier 1 with the other active captains.

Where did you think they were expecting them to get merged..Dispatch or Inflight Entertainment??? Of course they were expecting them to get merged in as pilots. The Lynx Pilots got a VERY FAIR integration!!!!!!! Tier 1 you say, so is it to my understanding that you feel that ALL the Lynx Captiains should be in the same class as an F9 Captain, Midwest Captain, RAH Captain, Just because your Captain's???? You have only been in existence for what 2-3 years, and you want to be classed in with 10-20+ year pilots!! Wow do you feel entitled!!!!!!:erm: The Reason why some of the RAH FO's are aggravated is because Quite a few of the Lynx FO's, with a DOH LESS than RAH FO's, are now AHEAD of RAH FO's. Would you not be upset If I were only at a company 2 years and then went ahead of a 3-4 PILOT???

Now Looking at this from a SLI standpoint, It happened that way all over the list for all parties involved. Some people Got Better than DOH, some got about Date of Hire, Some got bumped down, some got Stapled, But all in all it was relative. The Midwest guys got Screwed the most. The Lynx pilots should satisfied Because they basically got DOH or BETTER!!!!
If I have said it before, I'll say it again, It is what it is...We are all pawns in management's game of chess.. It's not the fault of any Pilot or crew member for what happens. We are not the one's who make the decisions or visionary plans for our companies!! We just Drive the Bus!!:beer:

 

[Cardinal]

I love how you phrase that as an "opportunity". And the 250+ furloughed Midwest guys have a seniority number per the SLI. Anyone hired from now on had better have a number behind them.

Hey don't get me wrong, I wouldn't show up for RAH newhire class if it was the last job on earth. I use "opportunity" in the literal sense. I also said that "Midwest guys [will have]...marginally higher seniority" than today's newhire. I do not minimize the YX plight, I have long empathized with the Midwest guys on this board.

 

[Cardinal]

You have Lynx guys in class this VERY second to be a captain, on the Republic certificate.

In their Q400 that they already fly? Seriously, please expand.

 

[CFI]

In their Q400 that they already fly? Seriously, please expand.

Yes, the first group went through indoc and will be back flying the line in a week or so.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Where did you think they were expecting them to get merged..Dispatch or Inflight Entertainment??? Of course they were expecting them to get merged in as pilots. The Lynx Pilots got a VERY FAIR integration!!!!!!! Tier 1 you say, so is it to my understanding that you feel that ALL the Lynx Captiains should be in the same class as an F9 Captain, Midwest Captain, RAH Captain, Just because your Captain's???? You have only been in existence for what 2-3 years, and you want to be classed in with 10-20+ year pilots!! Wow do you feel entitled!!!!!!:erm: The Reason why some of the RAH FO's are aggravated is because Quite a few of the Lynx FO's, with a DOH LESS than RAH FO's, are now AHEAD of RAH FO's. Would you not be upset If I were only at a company 2 years and then went ahead of a 3-4 PILOT???

Now Looking at this from a SLI standpoint, It happened that way all over the list for all parties involved. Some people Got Better than DOH, some got about Date of Hire, Some got bumped down, some got Stapled, But all in all it was relative. The Midwest guys got Screwed the most. The Lynx pilots should satisfied Because they basically got DOH or BETTER!!!!
If I have said it before, I'll say it again, It is what it is...We are all pawns in management's game of chess.. It's not the fault of any Pilot or crew member for what happens. We are not the one's who make the decisions or visionary plans for our companies!! We just Drive the Bus!!:beer:

It seems to me if Republic captains are going to be put ahead of Frontier captains while still making less money than Frontier first officers, then the Lynx captains should have been included too. I don't know why DOH is so important at the bottom of the list when it had no factor in the top of the list.

 

[BlackPilot628]

It seems to me if Republic captains are going to be put ahead of Frontier captains while still making less money than Frontier first officers, then the Lynx captains should have been included too. I don't know why DOH is so important at the bottom of the list when it had no factor in the top of the list.

Funny man

 

[dlzav8tr]

I am pretty much middle of the road FO at f9 and I have over 100 RAH fos ahead of me that were hired at RAH after I was at f9. I lost over 1000 numbers in this mess and ill bet that the majority are younger than I am.

 

[dlzav8tr]

needless to say I will be looking for other employment

 

[PHXFLYR]

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A senile and insane old man with a total disconnect with reality.

Towing the USAPA line , I see .........

PHXFLYR

 

[LearLove]

It should have been what it should be for all mergers (of any situation/kind). It is called

DOH

....the solution for all times.