The Greatest Windfall in the HISTORY OF AVIATION!

[Cardinal]

EDIT: So is it supoosed to go into effect 60 days after the NMB ruling regradless of the outcome or only if they find an STS?

The way I read it, it goes into effect 60 days after the NMB rules, regardless of their finding.

 

[Cardinal]

It looks like RAH guys could start creeping into the (top) of the A320 FO bases in a matter of months. (NMB ruling + 60 days + 7 weeks to train). Plenty of 145 and 170 FOs who will bring with them way higher relative seniority. F me.

 

[Cardinal]

Also, I think this is a fitting time to offer condolences to the Midwest guys and gals. Y'all have been screwed backwards and forwards and this pretty much seals it.

 

[Yankee301]

It looks like RAH guys could start creeping into the (top) of the A320 FO bases in a matter of months. (NMB ruling + 60 days + 7 weeks to train). Plenty of 145 and 170 FOs who will bring with them way higher relative seniority. F me.

7 year fence.

 

[F9 A319]

Award ¶ C.:

The IMSL (Appendix A) shall become effective for purposes of the second sentence of DRA §V (g) and applicable for purposes of the first sentence of DRA §V (j) on the sixtieth (60th) day following the date of the National Mediation Board rulings and certification referenced in DRA §V (g), unless an earlier date is agreed upon by the designated pilot representative and the single carrier.

DRA §V (g):

The award of the arbitrator shall be stated in writing and shall be final and binding on the parties to this Agreement and on the pilots employed by RAH and its affiliates. The award shall include the date on which the seniority integration will become effective, which date shall not be before the NMB issues its ruling on whether the RAH affiliates comprise a single transportation system and certifies the Organization, if any, that is the duly designated representative of the pilot craft or class on that transportation system.

So, IF the NMB rules we are a Single Transportation System, it’s 60 days after we have a representative group (union).

It is just plain stupid to burn more gas and cost what is now our company money because you disagree with the Arbitrator’s decision. Your increased fuel burn will not keep Eischen awake at night and RAH Management is not responsible for Eischen’s decision.

Nothing has changed yet. Breath, relax, THINK before reacting. I’m sure all parties have their most brilliant people digesting this and we’ll all get their take on it in the following days.

 

[Cardinal]

7 year fence.

After you've read all 49 pages we can have an intelligent discussion.

"For the period of seven (7) years, beginning with the first bid period after the date on which the seniority integration becomes effective, Frontier Pilots will have priority for all CA and FO jobs on Airbus 320 family aircraft"

What happens when there is a vacancy, genius?

 

[SizzleChest]

Also, I think this is a fitting time to offer condolences to the Midwest guys and gals. Y'all have been screwed backwards and forwards and this pretty much seals it.

The arbitrator didn't see it as a screwing per se... here's an example....

One can take no satisfaction in validating the hard cold fact that no reasonable

interpretation of fairness and equity justifies placing the remaining pre-acquisition furloughed MEA pilots anywhere but at the bottom tier of the IMSL. There is no evidentiary basis for any expectation that they might have been recalled to active service prior to the acquisition transactions. Nor can they shelter under the protective penumbra of the Bloch II decision, because they were furloughed prior to the transactions. ALPA's theory that RAH, Inc. effectively orchestrated those pre-acquisition furloughs and the eventual demise of Midwest Airlines, by manipulating events beginning in September 2008, is not established by a preponderance of persuasive record evidence and simply cannot be sustained by innuendo and conjecture.

 

[Cardinal]

The award of the arbitrator shall be stated in writing and shall be final and binding on the parties to this Agreement and on the pilots employed by RAH and its affiliates. The award shall include the date on which the seniority integration will become effective, which date shall not be before the NMB issues its ruling on whether the RAH affiliates comprise a single transportation system and certifies the Organization, if any, that is the duly designated representative of the pilot craft or class on that transportation system.

So, IF the NMB rules we are a Single Transportation System, it’s 60 days after we have a representative group (union).

You used the word "if", not Eischen. The NMB will rule, the award becomes effective 60 days afterwards. The NMB may rule however they like, but the need not find an STS in their ruling to start that clock.

But I'm no laywer.

 

[TheJCNIs]

interpretation of fairness and equity justifies placing the remaining pre-acquisition furloughed MEA pilots anywhere but at the bottom tier of the IMSL. There is no evidentiary basis for any expectation that they might have been recalled to active service prior to the acquisition transactions. Nor can they shelter under the protective penumbra of the Bloch II decision, because they were furloughed prior to the transactions. ALPA's theory that RAH, Inc. effectively orchestrated those pre-acquisition furloughs and the eventual demise of Midwest Airlines, by manipulating events beginning in September 2008, is not established by a preponderance of persuasive record evidence and simply cannot be sustained by innuendo and conjecture.

Wow! I feel sick which is weird because I usually feel good after being fu@ked!

 

[Flying the Line]

So, is this republic winning, or relative seniority prevailing regardless of the situation.