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Captain Morgan said:
They should be sipping champagne. I've been at the RAH for over 3 years and I have someone that was hired 2 years after me at Lynx ahead of me. So much for upgrade.
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I feel for you, but a lot of us at F9 got screwed far worse than you! Let's you and I hope the NMB votes against Single Carrier. That will give us 1 year before the whole process can legally start over again. I for one say DELAY, DELAY, DELAY...the process.
 
Oh I completely understand. I feel personally that Midwest should've been way up the list, and Lynx should've been a DOH but that's just my opinion. The previous post was just made to address a question that ATPCliff had about how the Lynx pilots fared. If I was a Lynx pilot, I would be excited because instead of what was originally going to be a staple that most were forcasting, they were put ahead of some pilots. To be honest, and no offense, I really have no desire to fly the "computer with wings." I just wanted to get my time and get out and move on to something else. Frontier was never really a target of mine just because of the West Coast commuting issue and I live on the East Coast, so we'll see what happens. Good luck to all.
 
stratus72 said:
I feel for you, but a lot of us at F9 got screwed far worse than you! Let's you and I hope the NMB votes against Single Carrier. That will give us 1 year before the whole process can legally start over again. I for one say DELAY, DELAY, DELAY...the process.
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At least you got 7 years fence dude!
 
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stratus72 said:
I feel for you, but a lot of us at F9 got screwed far worse than you! Let's you and I hope the NMB votes against Single Carrier. That will give us 1 year before the whole process can legally start over again. I for one say DELAY, DELAY, DELAY...the process.
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I hope there is no DELAY DELAY DELAY.. Because you are going to see Wayne's true colors! Sell all the Airbus' and replace them with the E190 at garbage rates. (Until a new contract comes out)
 
stratus72 said:
I feel for you, but a lot of us at F9 got screwed far worse than you! Let's you and I hope the NMB votes against Single Carrier. That will give us 1 year before the whole process can legally start over again. I for one say DELAY, DELAY, DELAY...the process.
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A year? Where do you get that from? And just out of curiosity, what exactly did F9 lose? You have a 7 year fence preventing any of the "lesser skilled" pilots from the seat grab you all liked to carry on about. What does the seniority integration really affect? 7 years and the whole RAH banner won't exist - the way I see it, the only thing that your seniority list is good for is the perverbial whose **** is bigger contest.

Again, I don't understand where any of you are coming from. Except Lynx, they're the one's that can walk away laughing.
 
I don't see why so many seem to think Lynx got some kind of windfall out of this. It's all relative. The Lynx guys did about as expected. I went from most likely being in the left seat right now to still out on furlough. If I come back who knows where I'll end up. That's just the way this whole mess worked out.
 
Captain Morgan said:
They should be sipping champagne. I've been at the RAH for over 3 years and I have someone that was hired 2 years after me at Lynx ahead of me. So much for upgrade.
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RAH pilots = Libyan Civilians
Brian Bedford = Qaddafi

Get it?
 
markminus100 said:
A year? Where do you get that from? And just out of curiosity, what exactly did F9 lose? You have a 7 year fence preventing any of the "lesser skilled" pilots from the seat grab you all liked to carry on about. What does the seniority integration really affect? 7 years and the whole RAH banner won't exist - the way I see it, the only thing that your seniority list is good for is the perverbial whose **** is bigger contest.

Again, I don't understand where any of you are coming from. Except Lynx, they're the one's that can walk away laughing.
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It's my understanding that a minimum of 1 year must pass...based on the "contents of filing a motion." The 7 year fence is not as good as it sounds...plenty could alter the integrity of it's intent. i agree with you, 7 years from now the RAH banner might not even exist.
 
BlackPilot628 said:
I hope there is no DELAY DELAY DELAY.. Because you are going to see Wayne's true colors! Sell all the Airbus' and replace them with the E190 at garbage rates. (Until a new contract comes out)
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No offense, but it SUCKS working for a regional...again! I thought I left that nightmare back in Northern KY. Oh well, if it gets bad enough I can always leave...which I will.
 
Captain Morgan said:
They should be sipping champagne. I've been at the RAH for over 3 years and I have someone that was hired 2 years after me at Lynx ahead of me. So much for upgrade.
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Why is that some people look at how a very small part of one group fared and assume that everyone "made out like bandits"

The junior Lynx FO's did in fact fare very well, I know there is a lot of animosity that some guys essentially gained a year in terms of seniority.

However, contrary to popular belief turboprops also require 2 pilots. Crazy I know. We had 65 captains when this started. Everyone knows startups are a risk but most of those captains were on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th airline. Not newbies to the industry. Now our most senior captain is over 300 numbers from a captain slot. A middle seniority captain is 500+ numbers from the left seat.

Not exactly cause for sipping champagne. Going from being a top third captain at a regional to being ratioed in with junior FO's at another regional is not exactly most folks idea of a "windfall"

cale
 
cale42 said:
The junior Lynx FO's did in fact fare very well, I know there is a lot of animosity that some guys essentially gained a year in terms of seniority.

cale
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If you look at the list there are tons of pilots that gained a year or two of seniority, it's not at all specific to any given tier (tear?) or group of pilots. Well except for Midwest and Frontier, I don't "think" any of them ended up more senior to a pilot with less seniority.

OK, the exception being 9 Frontier pilots who ended up senior to some long-term CHQ (I assume) pilots.
 
So, based on current seniority numbers, I realize that a number of YX guys would still be furloughed. If the list were active today, would there be other pilot groups pilots furloughed, or just YX guys.

cliff
AMS
PS-My CEO and I used to have MidEx FF numbers, and my wife LOVED flying on them!
RIP...
 
Two things,

1) What is Lynx?

2) Frontier guys sound like they have "Big airplane" envy like US Airways East pilots do! Except for F9, big airplanes are A-319's and Airways East Pilots have A-330's. Just an observation..No dog in this fight, got my own dog to worry about.
 
Lynx was the 100% wholly owned feeder that Frontier owned. They flew Q400s.
 
Ok, stupid question... how does this effect someone getting hired at RAH now?
 
Why for God's sake?

Run, don't come here.

Seriously consider if there is ANYthing you could do for a living other than this and be happy. I mean seriously consider.

Make money, be happy, buy a small plane (or make lots of money and buy a large plane )and fly it on your days off if you really want to fly.

Sorry, it just isn't worth it anymore.
 
purdue_pilot said:
Ok, stupid question... how does this effect someone getting hired at RAH now?
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It doesn't hardly. They'd get hired as the junior RJ FO, #30XX, and in the absolute worst case they have a couple hundred furloughed Lynx + Midwest guys start class subsequently with marginally higher seniority. End result, they're a junior RJ FO. This scenario is wildly unlikely of course, because the Midwest guys have already had the opportunity to get in RJ classes and for the most part haven't. Lynx guys are scattered to the wind, pissed to boot, and many of them won't come back to exercise their number either. A hypothetical RAH newhire may feel a few dozen numbers worth of backslide down the road. A tiny blip.

Oh, but our newhire does get to join this merry band of bitter factions, be used like a 3 dollar whore by Indy, and fly pointy jets.
 
xrated said:
Two things,

1) What is Lynx?

2) Frontier guys sound like they have "Big airplane" envy like US Airways East pilots do! Except for F9, big airplanes are A-319's and Airways East Pilots have A-330's. Just an observation..No dog in this fight, got my own dog to worry about.
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Then why stir up the pot? Keep worrying about your own dog!
 
xrated said:
2) Frontier guys sound like they have "Big airplane" envy like US Airways East pilots do! Except for F9, big airplanes are A-319's and Airways East Pilots have A-330's. Just an observation..No dog in this fight, got my own dog to worry about.
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The F9 "Big airplane envy" (whatever that is supposed to mean)? Are you curious why Frontier pilots are being protective of what they earned, which was a progression to the Airbus A-320 series with a contract that was closer to what the USAir A-330 guys had than their narrow body guys and worlds better than the next best group of pilots in this SLI fiasco. Is that the dog you're trying to piss off?
 
Cardinal said:
the Midwest guys have already had the opportunity to get in RJ classes .
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I love how you phrase that as an "opportunity". And the 250+ furloughed Midwest guys have a seniority number per the SLI. Anyone hired from now on had better have a number behind them.
 
USMC319 said:
The F9 "Big airplane envy" (whatever that is supposed to mean)? Are you curious why Frontier pilots are being protective of what they earned, which was a progression to the Airbus A-320 series with a contract that was closer to what the USAir A-330 guys had than their narrow body guys and worlds better than the next best group of pilots in this SLI fiasco. Is that the dog you're trying to piss off?
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F9 was bankrupt, just like USAir (East)...right?

Been there done that!
 
Captain Morgan said:
They should be sipping champagne. I've been at the RAH for over 3 years and I have someone that was hired 2 years after me at Lynx ahead of me. So much for upgrade.
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I think the list should have been straight DOH for EVERYONE. Actually, I think DOH should be the standard for airline integrations. Unfortunately my opinion does not matter and early 1990's hires at Midwest were merged in with 2007 hires at Chautauqua.
 
I think it's funny how there are Republic guys that are pissed that the Lynx pilots were merged in as pilots. I don't get it. Lynx was closer in pay and work rules to Republic than Republic is to Frontier and the former Midwest. I think the Lynx captains should have been in Tier 1 with the other active captains.
 

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