The Greatest Windfall in the HISTORY OF AVIATION!

[Cardinal]

EDIT: So is it supoosed to go into effect 60 days after the NMB ruling regradless of the outcome or only if they find an STS?

The way I read it, it goes into effect 60 days after the NMB rules, regardless of their finding.

 

[Cardinal]

It looks like RAH guys could start creeping into the (top) of the A320 FO bases in a matter of months. (NMB ruling + 60 days + 7 weeks to train). Plenty of 145 and 170 FOs who will bring with them way higher relative seniority. F me.

 

[Cardinal]

Also, I think this is a fitting time to offer condolences to the Midwest guys and gals. Y'all have been screwed backwards and forwards and this pretty much seals it.

 

[Yankee301]

It looks like RAH guys could start creeping into the (top) of the A320 FO bases in a matter of months. (NMB ruling + 60 days + 7 weeks to train). Plenty of 145 and 170 FOs who will bring with them way higher relative seniority. F me.

7 year fence.

 

[F9 A319]

Award ¶ C.:

The IMSL (Appendix A) shall become effective for purposes of the second sentence of DRA §V (g) and applicable for purposes of the first sentence of DRA §V (j) on the sixtieth (60th) day following the date of the National Mediation Board rulings and certification referenced in DRA §V (g), unless an earlier date is agreed upon by the designated pilot representative and the single carrier.

DRA §V (g):

The award of the arbitrator shall be stated in writing and shall be final and binding on the parties to this Agreement and on the pilots employed by RAH and its affiliates. The award shall include the date on which the seniority integration will become effective, which date shall not be before the NMB issues its ruling on whether the RAH affiliates comprise a single transportation system and certifies the Organization, if any, that is the duly designated representative of the pilot craft or class on that transportation system.

So, IF the NMB rules we are a Single Transportation System, it’s 60 days after we have a representative group (union).

It is just plain stupid to burn more gas and cost what is now our company money because you disagree with the Arbitrator’s decision. Your increased fuel burn will not keep Eischen awake at night and RAH Management is not responsible for Eischen’s decision.

Nothing has changed yet. Breath, relax, THINK before reacting. I’m sure all parties have their most brilliant people digesting this and we’ll all get their take on it in the following days.

 

[Cardinal]

7 year fence.

After you've read all 49 pages we can have an intelligent discussion.

"For the period of seven (7) years, beginning with the first bid period after the date on which the seniority integration becomes effective, Frontier Pilots will have priority for all CA and FO jobs on Airbus 320 family aircraft"

What happens when there is a vacancy, genius?

 

[SizzleChest]

Also, I think this is a fitting time to offer condolences to the Midwest guys and gals. Y'all have been screwed backwards and forwards and this pretty much seals it.

The arbitrator didn't see it as a screwing per se... here's an example....

One can take no satisfaction in validating the hard cold fact that no reasonable

interpretation of fairness and equity justifies placing the remaining pre-acquisition furloughed MEA pilots anywhere but at the bottom tier of the IMSL. There is no evidentiary basis for any expectation that they might have been recalled to active service prior to the acquisition transactions. Nor can they shelter under the protective penumbra of the Bloch II decision, because they were furloughed prior to the transactions. ALPA's theory that RAH, Inc. effectively orchestrated those pre-acquisition furloughs and the eventual demise of Midwest Airlines, by manipulating events beginning in September 2008, is not established by a preponderance of persuasive record evidence and simply cannot be sustained by innuendo and conjecture.

 

[Cardinal]

The award of the arbitrator shall be stated in writing and shall be final and binding on the parties to this Agreement and on the pilots employed by RAH and its affiliates. The award shall include the date on which the seniority integration will become effective, which date shall not be before the NMB issues its ruling on whether the RAH affiliates comprise a single transportation system and certifies the Organization, if any, that is the duly designated representative of the pilot craft or class on that transportation system.

So, IF the NMB rules we are a Single Transportation System, it’s 60 days after we have a representative group (union).

You used the word "if", not Eischen. The NMB will rule, the award becomes effective 60 days afterwards. The NMB may rule however they like, but the need not find an STS in their ruling to start that clock.

But I'm no laywer.

 

[TheJCNIs]

interpretation of fairness and equity justifies placing the remaining pre-acquisition furloughed MEA pilots anywhere but at the bottom tier of the IMSL. There is no evidentiary basis for any expectation that they might have been recalled to active service prior to the acquisition transactions. Nor can they shelter under the protective penumbra of the Bloch II decision, because they were furloughed prior to the transactions. ALPA's theory that RAH, Inc. effectively orchestrated those pre-acquisition furloughs and the eventual demise of Midwest Airlines, by manipulating events beginning in September 2008, is not established by a preponderance of persuasive record evidence and simply cannot be sustained by innuendo and conjecture.

Wow! I feel sick which is weird because I usually feel good after being fu@ked!

 

[Flying the Line]

So, is this republic winning, or relative seniority prevailing regardless of the situation.

 

[F9 A319]

You used the word "if", not Eischen. The NMB will rule, the award becomes effective 60 days afterwards. The NMB may rule however they like, but the need not find an STS in their ruling to start that clock.

But I'm no laywer.

It's an "if" in that the NMB may rule that Frontier, Midwest, Lynx, RAH (or possibly even "yx", S5 and CHQ) are a single carrier or they may rule that some of the carriers are a Single Transportation System and some of them are separate.

I'm sorry if I'm not wording this in a clear manner, I too am not an Attorney.....

 

[dlzav8tr]

I really hope i can find another halfway decent flying job before any pilots from RAH come over.

 

[BlackPilot628]

How did he get bumped down? He's SR to any F9 driver.

All of the 1980's hires got bumped.

 

[redflyer65]

So were the Midwest guys completely ignored?

 

[BlackPilot628]

So were the Midwest guys completely ignored?

No. Their number 1 Capt was integrated at #1002 TIER 2)
Basically, after that it is a 10:1 Ratio (RAH-YX) for the guys that were top 150 on their list. All the rest were put at the bottom with the furloughs.

 

[huncowboy]

is that the professional's approach?

gimme a break... Bend over does not equal professional. You get screwed by companies all the time in so many ways we can't even sum it up. Then you supposed to act as a professional in the interest of shareholders that are making money at your expense. Get a grip.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Just a curious outsider with a question or two. One, does this essentially make RJet (F9, YX, S5, RP, etc) a 'single carrier'? And is so, then Two, doesn't that then mean that RJet is then in violation of all of the scope clauses at UAL, Delta and Airways (E190 and A320)?

Seems to me this could give the other Major carriers the scope 'out' they have been looking for.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[cale42]

Just a curious outsider with a question or two. One, does this essentially make RJet (F9, YX, S5, RP, etc) a 'single carrier'? And is so, then Two, doesn't that then mean that RJet is then in violation of all of the scope clauses at UAL, Delta and Airways (E190 and A320)?

Seems to me this could give the other Major carriers the scope 'out' they have been looking for.

Peace.

Rekks

No it does not make them a single carrier there is no such thing, the NMB will rule if they are a Single Transportation System(STS), hopefully in the near future.

Even if the NMB does rule they are an STS that will not affect scope clauses with the codeshare partners.. this has been covered ad nauseum.

I would have thought that the recent Delta announcement regarding additional RAH flying would have finally put to rest the speculation that all the majors want to end their contracts with RAH.

Fixed fee departure flying is very simply about completing flights and completing them on time for a good price. That is ALL the legacy partners have ever cared about.. and RAH is exceptionally good at the fixed fee business.

cale

 

[CitationLover]

Bankruptcy cant come fast enough.

Boogity boogity boogity.

 

[johnsonrod]

Boy, that Southwest staple is looking pretty good right about now....

Who (which negotiators) screwed that up again?

On the plus side, you F9 guys will have some options if you want to split (I would if I were an FO). Delta will have hiring in the future, JB is hiring onto the Airbus and VA seems to have continual hiring. Emirates is also hiring onto the A330 with a fast-track to the A380 in 2-3 years. I am sure they are aware of this situation and the discontent and would probably welcome some experienced Airbus drivers. Yeah, I'd be sending out my apps...