ASA Detroit Base...

[777forever]

Many people avoid the lounge for that very reason...Some of us are getting tired of the "Debby Downers" who are never happy.

The crew lounge, Flightinfo, and the ALPA boards have never represented a majority....rather they have always represented a loud vocal minority.

Can you or any of the other unhappy people tell me which regional you would rather work for? Can you tell me which regional management is better than Skywest Inc? Surely there must be a better one out there...Is it Mesa..Comair..Eagle...TransStates...Republic..Horizon?

Exactly. The crew lounge at all airlines is notoriously known as the place crew members (including FAs) get together and whine about how bad life is or tell crew scheduling horror stories. That combined with Fox News blaring on the TV 24/7(no wonder you guys are depressed) is the reason I avoid that place.

However I must say the IAD crew lounge is an absolute pleasure to be in. Completely opposite from ATL.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Many people avoid the lounge for that very reason...Some of us are getting tired of the "Debby Downers" who are never happy.

The crew lounge, Flightinfo, and the ALPA boards have never represented a majority....rather they have always represented a loud vocal minority.

Can you or any of the other unhappy people tell me which regional you would rather work for? Can you tell me which regional management is better than Skywest Inc? Surely there must be a better one out there...Is it Mesa..Comair..Eagle...TransStates...Republic..Horizon?

Actually at this point there is no regional I would like to be at.

Exept for my:
1 base closing
2 S3C status
3 $190 a yr delta pass and $200 a yr UA pass
4 Downgrade
5 Almost non-existent Performance Plus payout
6 termination of stock options
7 being back on reserve last summer
8 low time pairings next month resulting in #9
9 Min days off with min pay for March
10 losing seniority in my seat with seat reductions forthcoming
11 an obvios summer of jr manning and extensions upcoming
12 unknown future of the 200 (since delta hates them and we have a ton of them

Except for all those things, I am as happy as a clam!

Oh, and dont feed me all that business about "lettin' the door hit me in the behind" or the cheezy "well why dont you go do something else" crap because trust me, on my few days off anymore, I AM LOOKING!!!

And all you fellers that are "so happy" can yall explain why? I know, the paychech hasnt bounced yet, and fortunatly we're not shrinking, YET, but... what else you got?

 

[No Delay]

They're flying a jet, man..... what else is there????? uke:

 

[wms]

The march schedules are gonna hurt the company most. Min days off, lots of open time and no reserves. Not to mention tons of reduced rest resulting in late starts. One month of pain is going to be a learning experience for the company because they just don't see it. A perfect storm has brewed.

 

[Nevets]

We're losing money right now but after the merger I believe we'll be back to be very profitable.

Can you point me to a evidence of ASA losing money? Cause it seems that JoeMerchant thinks otherwise. But he cannot point to evidence that ASA is making money either. So who is wrong and can you show me proof of why that person is wrong?

Can you tell me which regional management is better than Skywest Inc? Surely there must be a better one out there...Is it Mesa..Comair..Eagle...TransStates...Republic..Horizon?

I rather work for Skywest Airlines and their management. They are better then ASA and all the others you mentioned.

The reason this senior pilot voted for PBS was so that we would be better positioned for growth which benefits junior people more than senior people...You're welcome..

A 50% pay cut would also better position ASA for growth. Would you vote for that as well and then thank the junior people for it? Let me put it this way, how much are you willing to give up to better position ASA for growth?

 

[wms]

I think if ASA is losing money (which I doubt), it's due partly to the reset and partly to the aquisitions; xe, aircraft, iad start-up, etc, which is to be expected. But I suspect, and have heard, that most of our financial squeeze is due to the budget ,inc. gives us to operate within.

 

[777forever]

Can you point me to a evidence of ASA losing money? Cause it seems that JoeMerchant thinks otherwise. But he cannot point to evidence that ASA is making money either. So who is wrong and can you show me proof of why that person is wrong?

Alright, I shouldn't be assuming we are losing money. With the rate reset lets just say the budget is tight. We'll know for sure on the 23rd

I rather work for Skywest Airlines and their management. They are better then ASA and all the others you mentioned.

That would be the ideal situation but cannot work at this time due to two completely different pilot group cultures, union vs non-union.

A 50% pay cut would also better position ASA for growth. Would you vote for that as well and then thank the junior people for it? Let me put it this way, how much are you willing to give up to better position ASA for growth?

Seriously Nevets? Do we really have to go thru this AGAIN? Your argument is unreasonable. Their is a clear difference between aligning costs to be more in line with your competition and taking cuts so deep that the word draconian can't even fit the description.

You gotta do better than this. Like debating with a 5th grader....

 

[aircombat]

Seriously Nevets? Do we really have to go thru this AGAIN? Your argument is unreasonable. Their is a clear difference between aligning costs to be more in line with your competition and taking cuts so deep that the word draconian can't even fit the description.

You gotta do better than this. Like debating with a 5th grader....

Nevets has a completely valid point. We all know that 50% is an exaggeration, but how come whenever a pilot group feels like there are sacrifices to be made they are all too eager to have the junior pilots bear the entire brunt of these changes instead of spread the pain evenly. In time these changes usually affect the senior people as well. The ship doesn’t float well without its stern. I don’t think that we will ever learn that there are no winners in the race to the bottom.

 

[Nevets]

Seriously Nevets? Do we really have to go thru this AGAIN? Your argument is unreasonable. Their is a clear difference between aligning costs to be more in line with your competition and taking cuts so deep that the word draconian can't even fit the description.

You gotta do better than this. Like debating with a 5th grader....

Im just taking the example to the extreme to make a point. I could have said 13%. But that is why I also made a point to ask how much you are willing to vote away in an effort of "aligning costs to be more in line with your competition."

What is your answer?

 

[777forever]

Im just taking the example to the extreme to make a point. I could have said 13%. But that is why I also made a point to ask how much you are willing to vote away in an effort of "aligning costs to be more in line with your competition."

What is your answer?

I am willing to switch to whatever more efficient system the company wants to as QOL is not effected by the switch and the pilot group is returned some of the savings. PBS was one step. Dual Qual is the next and last step. Other than dual qual there are no other areas Im willing to take a cut. Except getting rid of duty rigs on naps.

 

[crj567]

I am willing to switch to whatever more efficient system the company wants to as QOL is not effected by the switch and the pilot group is returned some of the savings. PBS was one step. Dual Qual is the next and last step. Other than dual qual there are no other areas Im willing to take a cut. Except getting rid of duty rigs on naps.

Well, maybe we could go to 5 min days off a month. Maybe we could sleep in tents on the front lawn of the airports on our overnights, maybe we could also get qualified on fueling, catering, cleaning, and wheelchair ops. For all this, maybe the company would "enhance" our Performance Plus checks by .28 cents per quarter. Other than those ares, you are not willing to take a cut.... Well-except for doing naps for free!

-Seriously, if you wish to prostitute yourself to such an extent, you should just find a street corner. There are already enough whore$ in this industry, we are fully staffed.

 

[Nevets]

I am willing to switch to whatever more efficient system the company wants to as QOL is not effected by the switch and the pilot group is returned some of the savings. PBS was one step. Dual Qual is the next and last step. Other than dual qual there are no other areas Im willing to take a cut. Except getting rid of duty rigs on naps.

Well I'm glad you mentioned that because if we at XJT would to switch to your PBS, it would negatively affect 2400 pilots' QOL! What would you tell us?

 

[wms]

PBS gave me commutable 3-days with weekends off for the first time ever. w/Parallel bidding my 7 day vaca stretched to 18 in PBS and I got 13 w/line bidding. It's not a PBS problem, its an ASA problem, namely 2 pilot haters in the GO.

 

[wms]

Well I'm glad you mentioned that because if we at XJT would to switch to your PBS, it would negatively affect 2400 pilots' QOL! What would you tell us?

.......

 

[johnpeace]

It's not a PBS problem, its an ASA problem, namely 2 pilot haters in the GO.

Our 'association' should make forcing their retirement a #1 priority for the JCBA.

85% of the scheduling suck is attributable to their ineptitude and inability to use the resources they have effectively. I'm ready to enjoy the scheduling we'd have with a competently managed crew resources/utilization department.

 

[Flyguy1226]

Another thread drift about PBS....:smash:

Back on topic... Look's like quite a few IAD FO's are bidding to DTW. I could see some displacement to IAD.

 

[crj567]

PBS gave me commutable 3-days with weekends off for the first time ever. w/Parallel bidding my 7 day vaca stretched to 18 in PBS and I got 13 w/line bidding. It's not a PBS problem, its an ASA problem, namely 2 pilot haters in the GO.

The problem is that we gave the company the tools they needed to screw us hard. We could have held out for a version which truly protected us, but no-we gave them the version which could screw our QOL with almost limitless abandon.

Letting this agreement ever see the light of day without real restrictions and protections involving the type of trips which the company can build was completely and unforgivably irresponsible.

Everyone should have known what would happen when we put ourselves in the position of having to trust that the company to do the right thing. Was there ever a point in the past, when the company has not abused this kind of trust? I sure don't remember it.

I have no confidence in anyone who negotiated or signed this rag. Many people told them this situation is exactly what would result, and now they are so "surprised" and "outraged?!?"

-I don't buy it. Not anymore.

 

[Abernathy]

The reason this senior pilot voted for PBS was so that we would be better positioned for growth which benefits junior people more than senior people...You're welcome..

You're not going to fool anyone into believing you are that altruistic. PBS benefits senior pilots and that's why senior pilots voted yes. Please don't insult our intelligence and claim you "did it for us"..

 

[pipi]

You're not going to fool anyone into believing you are that altruistic. PBS benefits senior pilots and that's why senior pilots voted yes. Please don't insult our intelligence and claim you "did it for us"..

I am not a senior pilot and this month I had the best schedule I have had in two years. I guess everyone is different, and I haven´t seen my march schedule yet. But for now, and as far as I am concerned, I am happy with PBS.

 

[gator_hater]

maybe we could sleep in tents on the front lawn of the airports on our overnights.

That would be the occasional improvement.