ASA Detroit Base...

[jstyle13]

Source?

A good one. Not a line pilot/flight attendant/mechanic etc. I beleive him when he told me. I'm not sure about when they are going to announce it yet though, but I imagine it would have to be fairly soon.

So that's 180 pilots??? Isn't that almost half of the seniority list on the 700/900? 18 aircraft???

Yes. 180 total. We have roughly 470 total pilots on the 70/90 depending on if ip's bid. So that's approx 40% of the total group. I've also heard there may be a few more 70's headed our way as part of this thing. So that may also be contributing to the delay in the vacancy bid/DTW announcment.

Like I've mentioned before, there are gonna be a lot of pissed of senior guys that are going to have to bid the 200(if they even can at the time), commute/move to DTW or get real junior real quick on the 70 in ATL. Gonna be interesting to see how this all pans out.

 

[johnpeace]

I've also heard there may be a few more 70's headed our way as part of this thing. So that may also be contributing to the delay in the vacancy bid/DTW announcment.

It seems like there would have to be, right?

Can DAL give up 40% of ASA's 700/900 flying out of Atlanta? Right before summer?

That doesn't make any sense.

Is someone else going to be replacing that lift? If so...why would we/DAL do that?

 

[Medeco]

but more so because Delta just lowered our fee for departure.

The only travesty of PBS is that it reduces the need for staffing and upgrades.

Lets be clear, Skywest Agreed to lower our fee for departure due to them being unable to get ASA down to the 2nd lowest DCI carrier.

Again, the 2nd lowest BS was something that uncle Jerry agreed to because he figured he could get ASA pilots to roll over when they first bought ASA.

A big mistake on his part, and now he has no where to go but the extreme on lowering our QOL.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

It seems like there would have to be, right?

Can DAL give up 40% of ASA's 700/900 flying out of Atlanta? Right before summer?

That doesn't make any sense.

Is someone else going to be replacing that lift? If so...why would we/DAL do that?

ASA already does a ton of flying out of DTW on the 700. Nothing will change except where the pilots are based. DTW based pilots will probably do a fair share of flying out of DCA, CVG, MEM and ATL too just like IAD pilots can do Delta stuff and United stuff.

 

[777forever]

Like I've mentioned before, there are gonna be a lot of pissed of senior guys that are going to have to bid the 200(if they even can at the time), commute/move to DTW or get real junior real quick on the 70 in ATL. Gonna be interesting to see how this all pans out.

Beautifully said. One of the big downsides of spending a career at a regional airline is that your flying or base can be gone in an instant. Horizon guys found out, Comair guys found out, and now unfortunately senior 700/900 pilots that live in ATL are about out. Some of these poor guys that refuse to commute will have to go on 700/900 reserve or go to the 200 6 legs for 5 hrs pay fiasco.

As far as more 700s out the deal, now that Horizon has given away all their 700s I don't know where else they will get more, except from the factory, which would be awesome.

Its going to be extremely interesting how this all pans out

 

[79%N1]

Please.....no DTW base! This is gonna just mess us up more. There are probably 10-20 pilots this would benefit. The rest get hosed, and if you want to eventually get the 700 in ATL.....you are SOL!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Please.....no DTW base! This is gonna just mess us up more. There are probably 10-20 pilots this would benefit. The rest get hosed, and if you want to eventually get the 700 in ATL.....you are SOL!

Too late for begging man.

 

[Flyguy1226]

As far as more 700s out the deal, now that Horizon has given away all their 700s I don't know where else they will get more, except from the factory, which would be awesome.

No more RJs!! Get over ther SJS already...

 

[jstyle13]

Please.....no DTW base! This is gonna just mess us up more. There are probably 10-20 pilots this would benefit. The rest get hosed, and if you want to eventually get the 700 in ATL.....you are SOL!

Yup. If they go 90 deep into the 700 on the captain side you're talking low 300's senority numbers with '99 new hires. The guys who will really come out ahead on this are 1. people that live up there or close to it 2. junior captains who already commute and can get to DTW easily 3. senior fo's that haven't upgraded yet but also live up there or are willing to commute.

The really junior guys in IAD and ATL who don't want to get forced out of their current seats may really get screwed here when they have no choice to go to DTW. The guys in the 120-160 range now on the 700 who have a decent cushion and can hold most of what they want on the 700 are gonna be on reserve if they chose to stay on the 700 in ATL. Anyone over a 2002+ newhire will have little chance anytime soon to get to the 700 in ATL if this goes through.

If they put 90 crews up there, I would guess they could find 40-50 that would willingly bid it, but the others would be inverse senority displacements. There will be way more people pissed than happy about this for sure. That's my take.

 

[aircombat]

No more RJs!! Get over the SJS already...

you clearly don't know 700forever. Every time he posts it makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

 

[resetjet]

It's official. 56 crews starting June 1st

 

[Flyguy1226]

Email is out from SH. 56 crews in DTW on June 1.

 

[Nevets]

ASA is losing money at the moment. Understand that the ASA operation is not profitable. Why? Probably because of our Maintenance department, but more so because Delta just lowered our fee for departure.

Can you give a link to an SEC filing showing that ASA is or has lost money?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Can you give a link to an SEC filing showing that ASA is or has lost money?

Can you give a link to an SEC filing showing that ASA is making a profit now?

 

[crj567]

Can you give a link to an SEC filing showing that ASA is making a profit now?

Can anyone prove that Joe Merchant has not suffered some kind of severe brain damage?

-Putz.

 

[DirtySowf]

So according to SH's email we are parking 50's?????? Where do the extra crews come from?

 

[777forever]

Can anyone prove that Joe Merchant has not suffered some kind of severe brain damage?

-Putz.

I have 1,959 forms of documented evidence that proves crj567 no doubt has suffered some kind of severe brain damage.

You figure out how to bid yet? Don't want to jack up your schedule two months in a row because you were too busy whining on FI

 

[the palm]

I have 1,959 forms of documented evidence that proves crj567 no doubt has suffered some kind of severe brain damage.

You figure out how to bid yet? Don't want to jack up your schedule two months in a row because you were too busy whining on FI

And I have a 1,000 signature petition that affirms 777forever's avatar is HOT!!!

 

[Jags1]

My question is how can the current number of ATL positions be maintained with only 24 additional positions if DTW is going to have 56 crews.

 

[aircombat]

My question is how can the current number of ATL positions be maintained with only 24 additional positions if DTW is going to have 56 crews.

They can't. Nothing in the email said they would.