ASA Detroit Base...

[crj567]

I am willing to switch to whatever more efficient system the company wants to as QOL is not effected by the switch and the pilot group is returned some of the savings. PBS was one step. Dual Qual is the next and last step. Other than dual qual there are no other areas Im willing to take a cut. Except getting rid of duty rigs on naps.

Well, maybe we could go to 5 min days off a month. Maybe we could sleep in tents on the front lawn of the airports on our overnights, maybe we could also get qualified on fueling, catering, cleaning, and wheelchair ops. For all this, maybe the company would "enhance" our Performance Plus checks by .28 cents per quarter. Other than those ares, you are not willing to take a cut.... Well-except for doing naps for free!

-Seriously, if you wish to prostitute yourself to such an extent, you should just find a street corner. There are already enough whore$ in this industry, we are fully staffed.

 

[Nevets]

I am willing to switch to whatever more efficient system the company wants to as QOL is not effected by the switch and the pilot group is returned some of the savings. PBS was one step. Dual Qual is the next and last step. Other than dual qual there are no other areas Im willing to take a cut. Except getting rid of duty rigs on naps.

Well I'm glad you mentioned that because if we at XJT would to switch to your PBS, it would negatively affect 2400 pilots' QOL! What would you tell us?

 

[wms]

PBS gave me commutable 3-days with weekends off for the first time ever. w/Parallel bidding my 7 day vaca stretched to 18 in PBS and I got 13 w/line bidding. It's not a PBS problem, its an ASA problem, namely 2 pilot haters in the GO.

 

[wms]

Well I'm glad you mentioned that because if we at XJT would to switch to your PBS, it would negatively affect 2400 pilots' QOL! What would you tell us?

.......

 

[johnpeace]

It's not a PBS problem, its an ASA problem, namely 2 pilot haters in the GO.

Our 'association' should make forcing their retirement a #1 priority for the JCBA.

85% of the scheduling suck is attributable to their ineptitude and inability to use the resources they have effectively. I'm ready to enjoy the scheduling we'd have with a competently managed crew resources/utilization department.

 

[Flyguy1226]

Another thread drift about PBS....:smash:

Back on topic... Look's like quite a few IAD FO's are bidding to DTW. I could see some displacement to IAD.

 

[crj567]

PBS gave me commutable 3-days with weekends off for the first time ever. w/Parallel bidding my 7 day vaca stretched to 18 in PBS and I got 13 w/line bidding. It's not a PBS problem, its an ASA problem, namely 2 pilot haters in the GO.

The problem is that we gave the company the tools they needed to screw us hard. We could have held out for a version which truly protected us, but no-we gave them the version which could screw our QOL with almost limitless abandon.

Letting this agreement ever see the light of day without real restrictions and protections involving the type of trips which the company can build was completely and unforgivably irresponsible.

Everyone should have known what would happen when we put ourselves in the position of having to trust that the company to do the right thing. Was there ever a point in the past, when the company has not abused this kind of trust? I sure don't remember it.

I have no confidence in anyone who negotiated or signed this rag. Many people told them this situation is exactly what would result, and now they are so "surprised" and "outraged?!?"

-I don't buy it. Not anymore.

 

[Abernathy]

The reason this senior pilot voted for PBS was so that we would be better positioned for growth which benefits junior people more than senior people...You're welcome..

You're not going to fool anyone into believing you are that altruistic. PBS benefits senior pilots and that's why senior pilots voted yes. Please don't insult our intelligence and claim you "did it for us"..

 

[pipi]

You're not going to fool anyone into believing you are that altruistic. PBS benefits senior pilots and that's why senior pilots voted yes. Please don't insult our intelligence and claim you "did it for us"..

I am not a senior pilot and this month I had the best schedule I have had in two years. I guess everyone is different, and I haven´t seen my march schedule yet. But for now, and as far as I am concerned, I am happy with PBS.

 

[gator_hater]

maybe we could sleep in tents on the front lawn of the airports on our overnights.

That would be the occasional improvement.

 

[the palm]

The problem is that we gave the company the tools they needed to screw us hard. We could have held out for a version which truly protected us, but no-we gave them the version which could screw our QOL with almost limitless abandon.

The company already had the tools they needed to screw us hard. And they did. Remember red arrows? Remember last summer? I'm not saying PBS fixed any of those problems, but at least the pilots have gained more control over their schedules.

Point is I am much happier bidding on these crappy trips than bidding on an entire crappy month. Seems like most people feel the same way.

 

[jstyle13]

Another thread drift about PBS....:smash:

Back on topic... Look's like quite a few IAD FO's are bidding to DTW. I could see some displacement to IAD.

Nice try. Every friggin ASA thread turns into the same 5 guys bickering about PBS and or the union.

Looks like DTW is going fairly senior on the capt but boy there are gonna be some FO's unwillingly shipped up to DTW. I have a feeling they aren't gonna have a problem getting the 56 capt's or close to it. Anyone taking a guess as to how many lines there will be in DTW? I'm guessing around 47ish each month. Hope they are commutable.....

 

[wms]

You're not going to fool anyone into believing you are that altruistic. PBS benefits senior pilots and that's why senior pilots voted yes. Please don't insult our intelligence and claim you "did it for us"..

You're attributing the woes of the junior pilots' schedules to PBS? No system benefits the junior pilot. We're in a seniority based profession and things get better as you move up. The fall of 09 I was a junior ATL captain on reserve and life was miserable with line bidding. Now I have a little seniority and life is good. I just wish it didn't take 10 years to get here.

With PBS there are 180+ pilots that were on reserve and now hold a line. Tell them PBS hurts the junior pilot.

As for as displacements go, if the numbers are accurate most of the open positions in DTW and IAD should be covered by the new-hires. With the anticipated hiring they should be able to bid where they want fairly soon.

Does being displaced stink? Yes. I've been displaced three times here, but life goes on and things get better.

Like I said, it's part of being in a seniority based profession.

 

[777forever]

You're attributing the woes of the junior pilots' schedules to PBS? No system benefits the junior pilot. We're in a seniority based profession and things get better as you move up. The fall of 09 I was a junior ATL captain on reserve and life was miserable with line bidding. Now I have a little seniority and life is good. I just wish it didn't take 10 years to get here.

With PBS there are 180+ pilots that were on reserve and now hold a line. Tell them PBS hurts the junior pilot.

As for as displacements go, if the numbers are accurate most of the open positions in DTW and IAD should be covered by the new-hires. With the anticipated hiring they should be able to bid where they want fairly soon.

Does being displaced stink? Yes. I've been displaced three times here, but life goes on and things get better.

Like I said, it's part of being in a seniority based profession.

Please don't try to reason with Abernathy using common sense and logic. It won't work...

 

[Nevets]

The company already had the tools they needed to screw us hard. And they did. Remember red arrows? Remember last summer? I'm not saying PBS fixed any of those problems, but at least the pilots have gained more control over their schedules.

Point is I am much happier bidding on these crappy trips than bidding on an entire crappy month. Seems like most people feel the same way.

I think the mistake is the thinking that PBS is the only way to gain more control over their schedules. There are better ways of getting more control over your schedules without PBS.