Pinnacle, Mesaba, Colgan get TA

[SEVEN]

It will pass. Bring on the silly road shows so we can vote on this and move on to SLI.

 

[1.3XVso]

It will pass. Bring on the silly road shows so we can vote on this and move on to SLI.

Move next to me seven dust...."Taxi check please" SNap snap

 

[Simon Says]

I want it to pass for selfish reasons (might leave soon, want to make some short-term money to payoff the union dues put in), but am going to vote "no", due to principle. It's probably going to pass but I want the election results to accurately reflect that some (me) are dissatisfied with the payrates. Specifically, Q400 (74 seats) rates being lower than CRJ-200 pay, until we catch up at year 5 of contract. The growing pains that Q CA's have had to deal with in introducing this aircraft to the airline should be accurately reflected in a proper wage, right off the bat. Just my two cents and personal opinion. Now, you go and vote according to yours. Just make sure you consider EVERYTHING and read Very slowly.

I hope the rest of the Colgan group isn't as unedecuated/slow as yourself. It sounds to me that you need a dose of reality.

 

[RJLoser]

it will pass. Bring on the silly road shows so we can vote on this and move on to sli.

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+1

 

[SEVEN]

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+1

ALPA merger policy. There will be no "snap-snap" from the Office Space stapler. Maybe if you guys do some more informational picketing you could get 2 to 1.

 

[1.3XVso]

Seven you never seem to surprise me. I really do hope, wish we staple you to the bottom.

 

[RJLoser]

ALPA merger policy. There will be no "snap-snap" from the Office Space stapler. Maybe if you guys do some more informational picketing you could get 2 to 1.

I was agreeing with you. You may have me confused with 1.3v. I'm not for a staple.

 

[SEVEN]

I was agreeing with you. You may have me confused with 1.3v. I'm not for a staple.

Yeah .....sorry, hit the wrong button. It was for the little austin powers kid. We have fun with the FI bantering.

 

[SEVEN]

Seven you never seem to surprise me. I really do hope, wish we staple you to the bottom.

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[sinkrate]

Hey 9E guys.... Since the TA1 deets were never really publicly known, how's this TA stack up? Thinking of how voting will go....

Can't really compare it - the full thing isn't out yet. Only the supposedly good stuff is in the summary. Depends on equipment, seat, longevity, and family status. The bling of the pay rates is blinding everyone to the other hand in their pocket. Not all the information is out yet but from what is....

The PCL 900 pilots that use the family health plan go backwards after taxes and medical expenses, their raises are too small to compensate for the increase in the health plan

For the 200 guys it is a mixed bag - it will depend on wether they use the family medical plan, seat and longevity. Senior pilots over 15 years win big but for pilots less than that it's not clear cut. FO's that use the family plan could lose income after medical expenses. The single guys that forgo medical coverage do well.

In scheduling it looks like management finally got some things they have wanted for a long time. For line holders when your flights cancel you are on reserve - except we're going to call it 'time available'. It's still reserve. We've always had that as the pilots option - now there is no choice. The limits on refusing extensions and JA's are concessionary. In effect what we have always called 'extensions' that were refusable here are now called 'JA's' and we can only refuse 3 a year. Reserves and junior line holders will use their yearly allotment in two months. HUGE concession from the current book. Using line holders as reserves has been managements wet dream for years and they finaly got it.

For reserves they will get a minimum of 10 days of a month, after they are 'JA'd' once a month. That's an improvemnt over the current book but management got reserve out of domicle. We tried that once here and it was a disaster. Get used to five days in GSO, IND, CVG or any other 'focus' city. Currently they can do this only on a volunteer basis, now the junior reserves will have no choice. The LCR language is not in the current book but appears to be largely concessionary from the rejected TA. The number of reserves that option will be available to is greatly reduced.

The only thing managment has wanted that I didn't see in the TA summary was IROP language. Every day is an 'IROP' at PCL. If that shows up in the final language I'll puke.

The rest of the stuff in the summary, commuter clause, building the lines, etc was pretty much either current '99 book or current practice.

Still waiting for more and undecided.

 

[Smarta$$]

ALPA merger policy. There will be no "snap-snap" from the Office Space stapler. Maybe if you guys do some more informational picketing you could get 2 to 1.

Got you a contract with better vacation and health insurance.

 

[Smarta$$]

Can't really compare it - the full thing isn't out yet. Only the supposedly good stuff is in the summary. Depends on equipment, seat, longevity, and family status. The bling of the pay rates is blinding everyone to the other hand in their pocket. Not all the information is out yet but from what is....

The PCL 900 pilots that use the family health plan go backwards after taxes and medical expenses, their raises are too small to compensate for the increase in the health plan

For the 200 guys it is a mixed bag - it will depend on wether they use the family medical plan, seat and longevity. Senior pilots over 15 years win big but for pilots less than that it's not clear cut. FO's that use the family plan could lose income after medical expenses. The single guys that forgo medical coverage do well.

In scheduling it looks like management finally got some things they have wanted for a long time. For line holders when your flights cancel you are on reserve - except we're going to call it 'time available'. It's still reserve. We've always had that as the pilots option - now there is no choice. The limits on refusing extensions and JA's are concessionary. In effect what we have always called 'extensions' that were refusable here are now called 'JA's' and we can only refuse 3 a year. Reserves and junior line holders will use their yearly allotment in two months. HUGE concession from the current book. Using line holders as reserves has been managements wet dream for years and they finaly got it.

For reserves they will get a minimum of 10 days of a month, after they are 'JA'd' once a month. That's an improvemnt over the current book but management got reserve out of domicle. We tried that once here and it was a disaster. Get used to five days in GSO, IND, CVG or any other 'focus' city. Currently they can do this only on a volunteer basis, now the junior reserves will have no choice. The LCR language is not in the current book but appears to be largely concessionary from the rejected TA. The number of reserves that option will be available to is greatly reduced.

The only thing managment has wanted that I didn't see in the TA summary was IROP language. Every day is an 'IROP' at PCL. If that shows up in the final language I'll puke.

The rest of the stuff in the summary, commuter clause, building the lines, etc was pretty much either current '99 book or current practice.

Still waiting for more and undecided.

I love it, still defending TA1 and your buddies that produced a TA that failed miserably.

Your trying to save face because we achieved things that you guys said we could NEVER get out of management such as 11 days off for reserves, and a Min day for everyone.

 

[Simon Says]

I hope the rest of the Colgan group isn't as unedecuated/slow as yourself. It sounds to me that you need a dose of reality.

How embarassing. I tell this guy that he is uneducated and I spell the freaking word wrong.

 

[sinkrate]

Your trying to save face because we achieved things that you guys said we could NEVER get out of management such as 11 days off for reserves, and a Min day for everyone.

The JCBA Agreement has 11 scheduled days off for reserves but they can be JA'd down to 10. Scheduling will ignore the comp day requests and force them to take the pay or grieve it. Like they have soooo many times before. The MIN day was always on the table - if you were willing to pay for it. This time you will.

 

[suupah]

You two that will vote no...you guys are not too bright. Don't you think this is better than what 9L would have seen if you would have negotiated on your own? Voting down something good for principal that you want to pass is epic stupidity! Ever heard of cutting off your nose to spite your face?

You don't understand because you have no idea what we have been through with this Q program. three years of utter hell. This rate is a slap in the face.

I understand why it has to be this way, I understand that it is going to pass with this rate. Don't expect me to be happy about it. It's time for the company to recognize the initial cadre of pilots that laid the foundation for the future of this company. That foundation was laid with investigations, violations, long days and many many hard lessons that the future Q pilots will never have to learn the hard way like we did. I just want a rate right off of the bat that recognizes this.

I have close to 2500 hours in this plane. I have seen the evolution of how it is operated. It has evolved from an operation that seemed destined to fail, to one that looks like it will have a bright future ahead of it. This successful future is due in large part to pilots like me and my fellow brethren at CJC with CJC ALPA serving as a conduit to the company. If you think otherwise, you are not aware of the history of this airplane with this company. The other idiot and I just want recognition for our contribution, up front. The future success of the aircraft type is tied to us, shouldn't a share of future profits also be tied to us, now?

I'm sure at heart, there is not a Q pilot at CJC that doesn't feel this way. Whether they express it outwardly or not. This is an emotional argument, but after what we have been through, it's pretty tough to not let emotions enter into the equation.