Pinnacle, Mesaba, Colgan get TA

[Flyer1015]

I must admit, this is a good TA from what I've gathered from the executive summary.

 

[WayBack]

Well... What do you guys think?!?

I haven't seen anything yet, but heard from a couple of sources that there is two different pay scales for Colgan and Mesaba SF-340 pilots.
If true, why is that? Why are Mesaba pilots getting paid more than Colgan?

 

[OCP]

...I think he meant why not 100% DH pay...

Exactly! How do you settle for this?

 

[skyguy40]

Well... What do you guys think?!?

I was one that said mark my words...you'll see. And I meant that as you are wrong. I am glad to say, I was the one wrong. It looks pretty good to me so far. I give it a thumbs up.

 

[Jackie Moon]

must be really good since no one is posting any details.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Summary went out in an email from the MEC...should be in everyone's Inbox by now...overall, I'd say it's an improvement...the only ones who may be less than pleased will be the usual suspects...ones who partook of too much "ALPA-glory-we're gonna get it all-Kool-Aid" and the ones who are never happy with anything...I'll be voting "yes"...

 

[CptMurf]

Deleted

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

Read it twice now. I see nothing of this. Now the Q rates don't catch up to 200 CA rates till DOS+4. Is that what they are talking about?

There were two emails. One was put out by the XJ MEC and the other was put out by the JNC. One of them didn't have the pay scales. The one that DOES have the pay scales shows a "MESABA GRANDFATHERED" SAAB rate and another rate for SAAB.

It's been long stated that the Mesaba SAAB rates were the best in the world (I've always thought it was a myth but that's me). I think what happens is Colgan gets a pretty good raise and no one at Mesaba gets a cut.

 

[CptMurf]

There were two emails. One was put out by the XJ MEC and the other was put out by the JNC. One of them didn't have the pay scales. The one that DOES have the pay scales shows a "MESABA GRANDFATHERED" SAAB rate and another rate for SAAB.

It's been long stated that the Mesaba SAAB rates were the best in the world (I've always thought it was a myth but that's me). I think what happens is Colgan gets a pretty good raise and no one at Mesaba gets a cut.

Yeah didn't catch that. Just kept reading text version, which is why I deleted post. Got a call in to a rep to get the whole story there.

Personally, I don't like the carve outs, such as this. Or the no min day in bases with less than 25 crewmembers. It becomes too confusing, and we are all equal in this, so why carve out?!?

 

[Flyer1015]

Or the no min day in bases with less than 25 crewmembers.

That applies only to Saabs and excludes the 'big' bases (DTW, MSP, MEM, etc etc).

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

Yeah didn't catch that. Just kept reading text version, which is why I deleted post. Got a call in to a rep to get the whole story there.

Personally, I don't like the carve outs, such as this. Or the no min day in bases with less than 25 crewmembers. It becomes too confusing, and we are all equal in this, so why carve out?!?

We must have hit enter at the same time. I am hoping there is a phase out of the lower rated SAAB just like the Q400. I haven't looked specifically for that. Now I am going to have to eat guano cause I didn't get a $.10 raise...

I don't like the carve outs either. But maybe they are going to do away with the small bases. I spoke the the CA Rep and while I'm not happy with everything I am mostly satisfied.

 

[WayBack]

It's been long stated that the Mesaba SAAB rates were the best in the world

Does that make it easier to live on food stamps, knowing you have the best Saab rates in the world?

 

[CptMurf]

That applies only to Saabs and excludes the 'big' bases (DTW, MSP, MEM, etc etc).

So what happens when you DTW based, TDYed to LGA?

See, it becomes confusing.... Make it equal across the board. My thought is that the negotiators were in the mindset that the Saabs were leaving. Oops. Mx base, sounds like a long term commitment to me.

 

[nellie2110]

Does that make it easier to live on food stamps, knowing you have the best Saab rates in the world?

Why would you butcher his statement and take it out of context? He said," I always thought that is a myth but that's just me.". It was something to that affect which I read as he thought they were low and he didn't approve of them.

 

[Smarta$$]

Does that make it easier to live on food stamps, knowing you have the best Saab rates in the world?

You really are the bottom of the barrel sludge. Go tell your boyfriend to pay more attention to you.

 

[Simon Says]

I will vote YES.

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

Deleted

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

So what happens when you DTW based, TDYed to LGA?

See, it becomes confusing.... Make it equal across the board. My thought is that the negotiators were in the mindset that the Saabs were leaving. Oops. Mx base, sounds like a long term commitment to me.

If you're displaced to a Colgan base you keep your Grandfathered rate.

 

[Jar Jar]

you guys should have tied your pay rates to the CPI because inflation is going to get insane.

 

[CptMurf]

If you're displaced to a Colgan base you keep your Grandfathered rate.

Wasn't the rate Graab... It's the carve out on min day. I dont like those, otherwise the TA is what I expected. Not much personal gain for me, but I'm glad to see the injustices corrected. I stll haven't decided though... I want to understand and contemplate the sections a bit more before making a decision.

 

[Smarta$$]

you guys should have tied your pay rates to the CPI because inflation is going to get insane.

Turn off Beck.

 

[Smarta$$]

I'm a "yes" unless I find something awful in the full language or road show. With that said, it is TRULY disappointing how top heavy the 401k contribution is. Actually, it is disgusting.

But, still a "yes"

 

[CptMurf]

Hey 9E guys.... Since the TA1 deets were never really publicly known, how's this TA stack up? Thinking of how voting will go....

 

[Smarta$$]

Hey 9E guys.... Since the TA1 deets were never really publicly known, how's this TA stack up? Thinking of how voting will go....

Much better in all respects but health care. In some areas, light years better. The 401k is an improvement, but ONLY for the very senior pilots, unless you count my .25% increase...

Sure helps to have the company desiring a contract and more competent (less biased) negotiators and MEC.

It will pass 9E.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Hey 9E guys.... Since the TA1 deets were never really publicly known, how's this TA stack up? Thinking of how voting will go....

I have TA1 saved on my laptop, if you want to read it I can email it to you? Let me know, I think its to big to post on here.

 

[siuflightboy]

I want it to pass for selfish reasons (might leave soon, want to make some short-term money to payoff the union dues put in), but am going to vote "no", due to principle. It's probably going to pass but I want the election results to accurately reflect that some (me) are dissatisfied with the payrates. Specifically, Q400 (74 seats) rates being lower than CRJ-200 pay, until we catch up at year 5 of contract. The growing pains that Q CA's have had to deal with in introducing this aircraft to the airline should be accurately reflected in a proper wage, right off the bat. Just my two cents and personal opinion. Now, you go and vote according to yours. Just make sure you consider EVERYTHING and read Very slowly.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

you guys should have tied your pay rates to the CPI because inflation is going to get insane.

I have been wanting that since the day I was hired. I was willing to risk a year with no (or maybe even a small negative raise) to the much greater likelyhood that history will continue that CPI goes up quicker than our % raises.

 

[suupah]

I want it to pass for selfish reasons (might leave soon, want to make some short-term money to payoff the union dues put in), but am going to vote "no", due to principle. It's probably going to pass but I want the election results to accurately reflect that some (me) are dissatisfied with the payrates. Specifically, Q400 (74 seats) rates being lower than CRJ-200 pay, until we catch up at year 5 of contract. The growing pains that Q CA's have had to deal with in introducing this aircraft to the airline should be accurately reflected in a proper wage, right off the bat. Just my two cents and personal opinion. Now, you go and vote according to yours. Just make sure you consider EVERYTHING and read Very slowly.

Exactly th way I feel and will vote. This thing will most likely pass but it will always feel like a slap in my face and I can't believe our "unified" group would allow one segment to get sold down the river like this.

 

[RJLoser]

You two that will vote no...you guys are not too bright. Don't you think this is better than what 9L would have seen if you would have negotiated on your own? Voting down something good for principal that you want to pass is epic stupidity! Ever heard of cutting off your nose to spite your face?

 

[RJLoser]

Murph, don't waste you time reading TA1. It was sub par. Unless the summary is way off base this is a 180. Yes from me.