Pinnacle, Mesaba, Colgan get TA

[MACH-TUCK]

My understanding from the announcement letter was raises for all. Now on Dec 1st we XJ people got a raise + snapbacks from the bankruptcy. Now that was 4% I think. If we got $.10 what would I complain about? I think it's more than that but maybe not. But think about this...

My Dec 1st rate is something like $8 an hour more than someone at Pinnacle and over $10 an hour higher that the Q rate at Colgan (XJ Q rate is same as 200). Granted I'd like a $8-$10 an hour raise too but I think I am happy with a smaller raise and then have everybody else raise to that. Making EVERYBODY better is where the effort was. 2000+ Pilots are going to be a lot better off by a lot more than $.10. I am giddy. Truly

I certainly don't expect to be happy with everything. I suspect that 9E and 9L won't be happy with everything. I am very confident that stopping the abuse was a very big issue with the 9E and 9L guys. I think XJ brought a pretty good contract to the table as a brick in the foundation.

Did we lose? I am sure there were gives and takes. Until the union sends out the details I will just take the word of my MEC. Ground breaking, Trend setting...I don't know. Honestly I hope some other pilot group takes whatever we agree to and goes higher. Was it a home run for XJ I doubt it.
Split the FO rates is huge. A lot of other stuff in the TA is stuff we already had.

I am REALLY happy because I believe Colgan is coming out GREAT. Pinnacle will get what they deserve. Does this contract pay for all the pain from 5 years of abuse? Nope, nor do our rates and snapbacks help us recover from the torture from the bankruptcy. But you get over it.

As a XJ 200 Capt I want to thank the 9E and 9L negotiators. This TA couldn't have been easy.

Excellent post, this is exactly how I feel too.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Latest rumor is we gave in on dual qual. So you should expect to see it in the summary out this week.

I have heard the opposite, I heard Dual-Qual was not in the TA, but could come at a later date. I guess we will both have to wait and see once the summary comes out.

 

[Minnesotan]

When is the summary coming out??

 

[higney85]

When is the summary coming out??

Should be out tonight or tomorrow.

 

[e=mc2]

The Summary "In the race to the Bottom, Pinnacle is First."

 

[CptMurf]

Summaries out. New ideas for all pilot groups, it's going to take a a while to digest and evaluate.

 

[RJLoser]

The Summary "In the race to the Bottom, Pinnacle is First."

obviously, you have not seen the details.

 

[777forever]

Summaries out. New ideas for all pilot groups, it's going to take a a while to digest and evaluate.

Deets! We want the Deets!!

 

[CptMurf]

Well... What do you guys think?!?

 

[higney85]

Well... What do you guys think?!?

While it may not be a "dream" contract I think it's pretty good. I think the big "problems" at each carrier have been fixed with this TA.

 

[RJLoser]

I think it's great. Payrates are better than I thought. (higher than ASA!)

 

[OCP]

75% DH pay..???? Why?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

75% DH pay..???? Why?

Cheaper than opening a base

 

[BoilerUP]

Cheaper than opening a base

...I think he meant why not 100% DH pay...

 

[flyboyike]

Also, don't think for one second that this is done somehow because of Mesaba. The company had a legitimate business need for a contract. Nothing more.

Clive Seal and Buddy Casey told me of that rather "urgent" business need in August of 2006. At that time you were sitting in the classroom next door, so I'm assuming they told you the same thing.

I suppose in the airline industry four years is urgent enough.