What do RJET pilots think happens after RJET SLI?

[Captain Morgan]

Yup, in fact they finally put out something on the AIT body scanners and TSA pat-downs. It mirrors what APA has said, but at least they put something out. Better late than never. In any case, I haven't heard that FAPA or ALPA has said anything, have they?

 

[Flying Illini]

He was successful at being crooked because of the apathy of the pilot group. No one was minding the store. You don't see that happening at UAL, Spirit, AMR, and AirTran because the members have the leadership under a microscope. Not so much at RAH.

RAH does now. We learned our lesson the hard way, the same mistakes will never again be repeated.

I thought of another thing to add...

Probably the biggest reason that allowed things to get as bad as they were was the fact that this is a regional airline so there has always been a lot of turnover. Every time guys started getting mad, instead of fixing the problem like one would if you were at a career airline, they voted with their feet and left. Now that RAH has become a possible career airline for a larger percentage of folks, people are paying far more attention and getting more involved. Better late than never as a strong union is good not only for the pilots being represented but also for the pilots industry-wide.

As much as people don't want to admit it (me included), the IBT is finally starting to head in the right direction.

 

[Cardinal]

FAPA has only had to deal with RAH for a little over a year.... that's why there aren't many grievances. and those that they have had, it was in RAHs best interest to settle (MKE domicile, etc.). 11 years with RAH like the IBT has had and there will be far more grievances.

? Our grievance load has trebled. 180 greivances filed this year and counting.

 

[chqflyer]

? Our grievance load has trebled. 180 greivances filed this year and counting.

FAPA also gets grievances settled within a few weeks. The IBT takes over two years to lose most grievances.

 

[Toobdrvr]

As much as people don't want to admit it (me included), the IBT is finally starting to head in the right direction.

What, right before a possible representation drive? How convenient...

FAPA sends me so many emails updating me on their activities (around 3 a day), it's almost an annoyance. It's been like that since before BK....

 

[Captain Morgan]

FAPA also gets grievances settled within a few weeks. The IBT takes over two years to lose most grievances.

Hahaha, I'm laughing because it's true...

 

[SizzleChest]

What, right before a possible representation drive? How convenient...

FAPA sends me so many emails updating me on their activities (around 3 a day), it's almost an annoyance. It's been like that since before BK....

The new local was in the works when 747 went into trusteeship before this whole mess..... it had nothing to do with a potential rep. drive.

 

[StaySeated]

The new local was in the works when 747 went into trusteeship before this whole mess..... it had nothing to do with a potential rep. drive.

Honest question....

The RAH IBT members will not hesitate to blame any past failures on the old local.

They also trumpet the "we are our own local, we are independent from Teamster national".

However, the new local was elected after the SLI hearings.

So if the SLI goes well, does IBT national get credit or the new local that had nothing to do with the process?

If the IBT doesn't go well, will you still blame the old local, or the ones that have been calling the shots, IBT national?

 

[A320kid]

I hate to even say this, but I have heard from several people that the sli draft did not look to good for the F9 pilots (including captains). Personally, STS or not, I am going to keep my eye open for another job and I think you will see many more F9 pilots leave in the following years. Hats off again to those lucky RAH guys who will be soon taking another great carriers jobs. Just a note to all you "soon to be airbus" drivers, when someone takes a dump in the forward lav, you will smell it. Enjoy and good luck guys.


Note: I understand it will be 2 years at best before we see any RAH guys come over if STS is determined, so please spare the "you don't know how this works mantra."

 

[BUDDHA145]

"We will see many more F9 pilots leave"!!! and you have
only 7 post...

 

[Axel]

Honest question....

The RAH IBT members will not hesitate to blame any past failures on the old local.

They also trumpet the "we are our own local, we are independent from Teamster national".

However, the new local was elected after the SLI hearings.

So if the SLI goes well, does IBT national get credit or the new local that had nothing to do with the process?

If the IBT doesn't go well, will you still blame the old local, or the ones that have been calling the shots, IBT national?

You had to live it to know what a mess the old Local was. It was a mess because it was not being run, it was being looted. Rumor has it the ousted president is looking at the better part of a decade in Club Fed. The last of that legacy departed when the new EC was elected. Two months ago. So yes: past failures are on the Old leadership.

IBT Locals are not independent. They govern themselves autonomously, and continue to do so as long as they are in compliance with state, and federal law and with the IBT constitution. IBT has the authority to intervene if illegal activity is discovered. Each local pays 22% of dues to IBT, which spends that on lobbying and logistical support to the Locals.

The purchase (merger, whatever) between RAH F9 and YX started right about the time IBT placed the old Local into trusteeship. There was a lot, and I mean a LOT of internal strife among the RAH pilots, between the RAH pilots and the then-sitting EC, between the EC and the trustees. Cats and dogs. It was decided to dissolve 747, place most of the 747 airlines with 1224 (ABX's Local) and charter a new local for RAH. the EC elections came up (in accordance with the bylaws) right about the time the new local was chartered which was also right about the time the SLI hearings ended. The RAH SLI committee worked independently of all the fun and games.

Defining "goes well" in terms of a SLI is mighty subjective. Hopefully, a lot of people will be a little mad rather than a little people a lot mad, and that is across the whole spectrum. When the dust settles, the respective SLI teams will get the credit or the blame, depending on point of view. As stated earlier, the RAH SLI team went through the transition of the Locals independently of all the other internal strife.

IBT did not call the shots on this and if you think about it, the way IBT is constructed of autonomous Locals, they had no reason to. What difference does an airline SLI with Local 357 have to do with the warehousemen at Local 264 in Buffalo? IBT paid for the lawyer, but that was because the accounts had been looted. That was the extent of IBT's involvement.

 

[AirBill]

IBT paid $1.5 million from its own coffers for the SLI hearings. None of that came from our local assessment fund. And honestly, it was the least that they could do. IBT and the Airline Division needed to take big steps in order to repair their image with this pilot group, and that was a big one.

StaySeated:
To answer your question, let's clear up one thing. You said that "the new Local" had nothing to do with the SLI. Are you talking about the new Executive Committee? I think that's what you meant, because yes, they were elected in the middle of the process and took office after the final hearing. The roots of the "new Local" were planted long before the SLI process began, before RAH acquired Midwest/Frontier.

If you are referring to the new EC, it is my belief that, to a person, they would say that the SLI committee that was appointed by the previous EC, along with the current leadership of Local 357 and the Airline Division (separate from the EC), deserve the lion's share of credit (or blame, if you see it that way) for the arguments put forth to the arbitrator. Again, only my opinion.

 

[Cardinal]

"We will see many more F9 pilots leave"!!! and you have
only 7 post...

and the Reverent BB said:

Didn't ICAO mandate English proficiency a couple years back?

Regardless, IBT pilots seem satisifed and/or optimistic with the new local, and often point to its relative independence as a positive. FAPA pilots are satisifed with their representation, and also value it's independence. So why not a RAPA-type solution post STS? Within this group we clearly have the skill and experience to represent ourselves, why upstream 22% of dues to a polarizing entity? Above a certain critical size, independece works. Let's do it.

 

[AirBill]

Didn't ICAO mandate English proficiency a couple years back?

Regardless, IBT pilots seem satisifed and/or optimistic with the new local, and often point to its relative independence as a positive. FAPA pilots are satisifed with their representation, and also value it's independence. So why not a RAPA-type solution post STS? Within this group we clearly have the skill and experience to represent ourselves, why upstream 22% of dues to a polarizing entity? Above a certain critical size, independece works. Let's do it.

If we can get past all the name-calling and arrogance, I don't see why it should be a problem.

 

[AnimalTale]

No matter the outcome of this SLI, WE DID IT TO OURSELVES. QUIT your Bitchin!

I mean come on FAPA thought it was in the best interest of the WHOLE company to be part of RAH. FAPA RULES! Good job.

My opinion for the new RAH, pick a union that only represents for its dues paying members.

CYA

 

[HDA]

Im a Frontier pilot and have been proud to be part of a great group of pilots in one of the best places to work in the industry. I can see the writing on the wall.....the F9 group will go the way of the Midwest group. Just my gut feeling and opinion. No need to comment.

I am making like a rat and heading topside now....this ship is going to sink.

Dueces.

 

[AnimalTale]

Im a Frontier pilot and have been proud to be part of a great group of pilots in one of the best places to work in the industry. I can see the writing on the wall.....the F9 group will go the way of the Midwest group. Just my gut feeling and opinion. No need to comment.

I am making like a rat and heading topside now....this ship is going to sink.

Dueces.

+1.

VOTE ALPA. IBT, is for truckers. FAPA is good when times are good. ALPA will at least give you a war chest filled with Lawyers, Benefits and Balls.

So long F9, thanks for screwing it up FAPA/Menke/Bedford/the F9 pilots' leader on the creditors committee (liberal elitist).

CYA

PS. It is true, F9rs are trying to escape this place.

 

[SizzleChest]

Honest question....

The RAH IBT members will not hesitate to blame any past failures on the old local.

They also trumpet the "we are our own local, we are independent from Teamster national". I don't know that they are independent of the National...

However, the new local was elected after the SLI hearings.

So if the SLI goes well, does IBT national get credit or the new local that had nothing to do with the process? The SLI committee, counsel and whoever else actively worked on it. The new EXCO wasn't part of the SLI group.

If the IBT doesn't go well, will you still blame the old local, or the ones that have been calling the shots, IBT national? See above, but also understand that the arbitrator has the final say.

See above in green

 

[The Drizzle]

All the doom and gloom from the F9 pilots I think hinges on one thing. The NMB ruling on a single carrier status. If we are ruled a single transportation system I think we all have a shot. If not, F9 will go the way of YX and nobody wins.

 

[Vegaspilot99]

Im a Frontier pilot and have been proud to be part of a great group of pilots in one of the best places to work in the industry. I can see the writing on the wall.....the F9 group will go the way of the Midwest group. Just my gut feeling and opinion. No need to comment.

I am making like a rat and heading topside now....this ship is going to sink.

Dueces.

+1.

VOTE ALPA. IBT, is for truckers. FAPA is good when times are good. ALPA will at least give you a war chest filled with Lawyers, Benefits and Balls.

So long F9, thanks for screwing it up FAPA/Menke/Bedford/the F9 pilots' leader on the creditors committee (liberal elitist).

CYA

PS. It is true, F9rs are trying to escape this place.

Frontier and Lynx had something really good going I think. It's sad to see what has happened to both places. I miss it. Good luck guys.