What do RJET pilots think happens after RJET SLI?

[F9 Driver]

It's only the draft award due today, and not that I'm aware of. The final award won't be issued for some time yet.

 

[Flying Illini]

So back on topic (sorta)...

Did IBT leak the SLI award yet (due out today)? I'm sure if they're happy with it, it'll find its way out before 12/1....

Nope. All they said in regards to the award is that the final is due out somewhere around 12/1. They won't leak it.

 

[Toobdrvr]

Sorry guys, I was actually being facetious. With as many people involved, I would be shocked if the details of the draft award didn't find their way out one way or another.

You know what they say about 3 men keeping a secret...

 

[Toobdrvr]

Update: As of today, the draft award has been rescheduled to 11/5. Final award 12/3. No reason given...

 

[CitationLover]

Update: As of today, the draft award has been rescheduled to 11/5. Final award 12/3. No reason given...

The arbitrator had gas. Funny how baseball can arbitrate hundreds of millions of dollars in a DAY, but this has taken 365 times that amount of time.

 

[Quiet Flight]

So has anybody seen these "leaked" docs/SLI proposals, or do I have to wait for wikileaks to publish them?

Side note: SWA should start hiring off the street in Q3 2011. Pool will be drained by end of Q1 2011. 188 in class from Jan-Mar. These initial classes are to cover add'l vacations, attrition and optimized scheduling of aircraft that has created more flying.

 

[Toobdrvr]

Since IBT reportedly denied the arbitrator's request to take them off their site, the other unions followed suit and published them on theirs (at least FAPA did, don't really know about ALPA/UTU). We've seen 'em. No big surprises. I don't know where the general public can go to see them, so I guess you're on your own there...

As far as SWA hiring.....relevance?

 

[GuppyWN]

The relevance is that there are going to be about 699 pissed off F9 pilots shortly and SWA is hiring in spite of the Airtran announcement. Imagine how many we would have needed if we'd actually bought a 700 pilot airline instead of a 1700 pilot airline.

Just a guess.

Gup

 

[The Drizzle]

Since IBT reportedly denied the arbitrator's request to take them off their site, the other unions followed suit and published them on theirs (at least FAPA did, don't really know about ALPA/UTU). We've seen 'em. No big surprises. I don't know where the general public can go to see them, so I guess you're on your own there...

As far as SWA hiring.....relevance?

I love that this is becoming a propaganda battle. Until I see a notice from the arbitrator requesting the removal, I remain skeptical.

 

[Cardinal]

Play the ostrich. See if I care. Don't get sand in your eye.

 

[Quiet Flight]

The relevance is that there are going to be about 699 pissed off F9 pilots shortly and SWA is hiring in spite of the Airtran announcement. Imagine how many we would have needed if we'd actually bought a 700 pilot airline instead of a 1700 pilot airline.

Just a guess.

Gup

That. That's the relevance.

 

[Quiet Flight]

Since IBT reportedly denied the arbitrator's request to take them off their site, the other unions followed suit and published them on theirs (at least FAPA did, don't really know about ALPA/UTU). We've seen 'em. No big surprises. I don't know where the general public can go to see them, so I guess you're on your own there...

So you've seen the proposals? How did they shake out?

P.S. How do you quote two people in one thread? I want to avoid the two posts in a row thing. Need to keep my numbers low. And remember I'm using something very similar to this http://www.1stopretroshop.com/arcade-computer-games/commodore-computer-original-box.htmto post on here: http://www.1stopretroshop.com/arcade-computer-games/commodore-computer-original-box.htm

 

[StaySeated]

The relevance is that there are going to be about 699 pissed off F9 pilots shortly and SWA is hiring in spite of the Airtran announcement. Imagine how many we would have needed if we'd actually bought a 700 pilot airline instead of a 1700 pilot airline.

Just a guess.

Gup

Gup, you just can't help yourself can you. I know that you are deeply concerned about the "699 pissed off F9 pilots", but you really shouldn't worry.

Regardless of how the MSL is constructed, the chances of it being implemented prior to another transaction is slim to none. The IBT saw the neon writing on the wall, thus they submitted a Single Transportation System filing to the NMB early rather than later. RJET will more than likely make a move before the ink is dry on the MSL, and then we get to start all over again.

Before you mention the "699" again, you should probably consider the 100 VLOA/Furloughs that are back online, the 50+ downgrades that are back in the left seat, and the 100+ additional furloughs that were going to happen as soon as SWA parked 20% of the airbi. Almost 40% of the FAPA seniority list is better off today than they would have been if SWA prevailed (You do realize that SWA took their bid off the table and FAPA never said "no", don't you?)

Regardless, I don't see alot of FAPA interest in the countless SWA/Airtran threads on this board. Maybe you should worry about the 1700 pilots you are about to piss off instead of the 700 over here that don't care about what you are doing.

 

[StaySeated]

I love that this is becoming a propaganda battle. Until I see a notice from the arbitrator requesting the removal, I remain skeptical.

Something tells me that if this comes down to a representation election, the gory details will be shown the light of day.

Purely hypothetical, if the IBT did violate the confidentiality agreement, and they refused to comply with the arbitrator's request to suppress the release of information that he determined to be detrimental to the process, would you still support the Local 747 of the IBT?

Would ya?

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Do you really think that Bedford, who prized himself for being the CEO of "Frontier" two weeks ago on Undercover boss would give that up? Too much ego.

Oh and I will vote for any option other than teamsters at the first choice I get.

 

[The Drizzle]

Something tells me that if this comes down to a representation election, the gory details will be shown the light of day.

Purely hypothetical, if the IBT did violate the confidentiality agreement, and they refused to comply with the arbitrator's request to suppress the release of information that he determined to be detrimental to the process, would you still support the Local 747 of the IBT?

Would ya?

Likely not.

 

[The Drizzle]

Play the ostrich. See if I care. Don't get sand in your eye.

Up to this point it's all rhetoric. Show me facts, let them be vetted, then I'll make a decision. Please though, keep it up.

 

[GuppyWN]

Gup, you just can't help yourself can you. I know that you are deeply concerned about the "699 pissed off F9 pilots", but you really shouldn't worry.

Regardless of how the MSL is constructed, the chances of it being implemented prior to another transaction is slim to none. The IBT saw the neon writing on the wall, thus they submitted a Single Transportation System filing to the NMB early rather than later. RJET will more than likely make a move before the ink is dry on the MSL, and then we get to start all over again.

Before you mention the "699" again, you should probably consider the 100 VLOA/Furloughs that are back online, the 50+ downgrades that are back in the left seat, and the 100+ additional furloughs that were going to happen as soon as SWA parked 20% of the airbi. Almost 40% of the FAPA seniority list is better off today than they would have been if SWA prevailed (You do realize that SWA took their bid off the table and FAPA never said "no", don't you?)

Regardless, I don't see alot of FAPA interest in the countless SWA/Airtran threads on this board. Maybe you should worry about the 1700 pilots you are about to piss off instead of the 700 over here that don't care about what you are doing.

You me confused with someone who actually gives a ********************.

Nobody knows what "could have been" and it does no real good to dwell on it. I was just taking a stab at what was coming down the pipe according to my Frontier buds. They are not optimistic. I'm glad you are.

Gup

 

[Toobdrvr]

Just to clarify:

I love that this is becoming a propaganda battle. Until I see a notice from the arbitrator requesting the removal, I remain skeptical.

I used the word "reportedly" for a reason. I was trying to keep the focus on the availability of the proposals themselves...

I know SWA is now the most important airline in the world, but does every thread have to be about them? Do you guys get training from your marketing department to do this or what????

 

[arjayeffo]

You me confused with someone who actually gives a ********************.

Nobody knows what "could have been" and it does no real good to dwell on it. I was just taking a stab at what was coming down the pipe according to my Frontier buds. They are not optimistic. I'm glad you are.

Gup

Guppy, let me be the first to wish you an early "Happy Five Year Anniversary" here on FlightInfo. I think your FI five year pin should be in the mail, and that "moderator" job offer can't be far behind - (I think Lear70's had enough). And you're still averaging OVER 1 post per day, for almost 1800 days straight. You must be so proud.

Sarcasm over.

Is there anything more entertaining than watching someone like Guppy backpedal? Guppy probably has more posts in Frontier threads than actual Frontier pilots combined! But then someone calls him out, and his response is that he doesn't "give a ****?" Well over a year later and he says that it "does no real good to dwell on it"?? If it does no good to dwell on it, then why the **** are you still dwelling on it?? Keep posting Guppy - that'll really prove how little you care. Credibility waning....

Lets add hypocrite to the list while we're at it. You have been on a mighty campaign to get people not to talk about *your* upcoming SLI. But thank God you have a place to come and talk about someone else's. It must be a great relief for you. Does harping on the misfortune of a group of pilots facing a less than ideal SLI make you feel better about your own coming fate? If so, I'm glad we could be of service. The doctor will see you now.

The relevance is that there are going to be about 699 pissed off F9 pilots shortly and SWA is hiring in spite of the Airtran announcement. Imagine how many we would have needed if we'd actually bought a 700 pilot airline instead of a 1700 pilot airline.

Just a guess.

Gup

First of all, it's a Seniority List Integration. The number of pilots who are going to be pissed off is in the thousands, not just us poor 699. (But you realize this as much as anyone now, don't you?) However, I agree with you that the hiring projections are relevant. As I tried to tell one whiner on this site, all of the Frontier pilots who would have rather had a staple at Southwest NOW HAVE THAT CHANCE. If they get their app updated, and make the necessary donation to Higher Power, all of their dreams can come true. And if you are an F9 F/O, you might actually fare better. If you get on in one of the first few classes, you will actually have a better relative position than if you had come over as part of the entire pilot group. Looking at it this way, the failure of the Southwest buyout might actually be the best thing that ever happened for you. --- There are two kinds of people in the world - those who make the best of what they have, and those who uselessly bitch and moan about their lot in life waiting for someone or something to ride in and fix it for them. If any of your 'Frontier buds' meet description #2, will you please take them off of our hands? The entire NEW Frontier will be better off replacing them with Type #1. And I might just move up a couple of spots too. I personally believe that there is much more to QOL than the number on your paycheck. I also believe that familiar saying - "If you are just getting hired at the Airline that is the 'place to be', you are already too late." But to each their own.

The only time I get worked up enough to waste ten minutes posting on this site is when I am faced with the 2% SWA guys who give the rest of the cool people over there such a bad rap. Seriously, some of you guys have become even worse than the United pilots of the 90's in your god's gift to aviation image. I don't know what psychological self-esteem sinkhole you are trying to fill by insisting that every sane pilot on the Earth must want to work for Southwest, but if it helps you through your 6 leg day, then so be it. The type 1 people at Frontier notice that we are bringing back furloughs, adding cities and airplanes, and holding our own in the face of some of the lowest ticket prices in years at BOTH of our major hubs. The type 2 guy, only notices the negatives.

I tried to explain all of the positives at 'post-buyout Frontier' to Guppy in an FI exchange a year ago, and you know what his response was? He wrote me a Private Message and said that 'He agreed with almost everything I said, but was afraid that people might think he was a jerk'. We may share some opinions about how right I am, but we don't share the same concern about being viewed as a jerk. I know I'm one. Some days I wish I was more like StaySeated - well informed and tactful - but only sometimes. Most of the time, I use the anonymity of this forum to speak a nearly unfiltered mind. On the contrary, Guppy seems to be worried about how popular he is. Maybe I could learn from him, because it seeme like there are lots of guppy worshippers on this site. Hold up your baby, and let him kiss it for a photo-op. But be careful, just when he sends you a PM and you think he is your best friend, he'll whip out some SWA slogan of superiority and tell the Airtran pilots something like "Grab your ankles...it's on".