Continental pilots/post merger.....ALPA pins?

[ualdriver]

Question/statement for the Continental pilots. Over here on the UAL side of the operation, almost all of us (except out scabs and other non-members) wear our ALPA pin on our tie. In fact, if one sees a United pilot not wearing an ALPA pin on their tie, it's very likely he is a scab or non-member. Do you guys do the same?

Further, whether you guys do it or not, I think we all (except non-members/scabs) should have the pin on our tie, going forward once the merger is complete. Order those pins if you don't have one already!

***For the flightinfo members that hate ALPA......no need to post here. I already know ALPA sucks, Prater is on the till collecting a 7 figure salary, all ALPA reps. do nothing but take ALPA drops, and ALPA only cares about dues, etc., etc.

 

[Flyforyou]

It's a mixed group here. I've flown with guys who don't wear the pin; some are scabs, some are not. You have to understand, there are more than a handful of guys with scab mentality who are not technically scabs. I've also flown with scabs who claim to be the most unionistic(is that a word?) people at the company and have ALPA pins/stickers anywhere they can put it. Overall, this is one area that will improve with the merger; more real unionists, less company saviors.

 

[SKLJ]

As a line pilot for CAL, I agree and welcome any "influence" UAL guys can give to those pilots who have not chosen to support their fellow pilots by wearing their pin.

I carry extra pins with me at all times. There is never a jumpseater or fellow crew member that does not leave without a pin.

Of course, a clicker or two can be a good thing!

 

[densoo]

Question/statement for the Continental pilots. Over here on the UAL side of the operation, almost all of us (except out scabs and other non-members) wear our ALPA pin on our tie. In fact, if one sees a United pilot not wearing an ALPA pin on their tie, it's very likely he is a scab or non-member. Do you guys do the same.

Yes. ..

 

[Yuppyguppy]

love those clickers!!!

 

[ualdriver]

As a line pilot for CAL, I agree and welcome any "influence" UAL guys can give to those pilots who have not chosen to support their fellow pilots by wearing their pin.

I carry extra pins with me at all times. There is never a jumpseater or fellow crew member that does not leave without a pin.

Of course, a clicker or two can be a good thing!

He-He I think the clickers are all gone Nowadays, they probably would sue and win for discrimination or other such nonsense. I carry extra pins, too.

I'm not holding out the UA pilots as some sort of perfect example of unionism or anything, but guys who don't wear their pins in ops and such usually get a bit of a cold shoulder. We have guys, just like you guys, who wear a pin but hardly think about any union beyond that. But it's nice to see who you're dealing with when you're down in ops or leaving for a trip or whatever. I hope this small tradition carries on after we integrate.

 

[ualdriver]

You have to understand, there are more than a handful of guys with scab mentality who are not technically scabs.

Same here, of course.

 

[Deerkiller]

Like the previous poster said, a mixed bag. I've flown w/ guys that don't wear the ALPA pin but wear every pin the company gives out (longevity, Star Alliance, etc). I've also flown w/ scabs that have 20 year pins.

It will be interesting b/c the mother ship(ALPA National) "forgave" the scabs so that they would vote ALPA on property. We also have some scabs who have since become the good "unionist" by becoming UDOs and other volunteer positions as well as holding the line on some things that are allowed by the CBA, but are detrimental to our group and the furloughs, while non-scabs pick up FO open time for 150% pay the month before the furloughs.

I wear my ALPA pin and my red FUPM bracelet. I've run out of extras but I do have some of the "Get Serious" ID backers.

I'm honestly more concerned w/ each pilot group holding the line on our scope section than I am ALPA pins, though.

 

[Kharma Police]

Are you guys trying to re-enact a scene from Office Space?!?!, "excuse me, you're going to need some more ALPA Flair on your uniform."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmWJ5R4Lfrc

 

[ground stop]

please hold the line on scope. i would like to work at a major someday, not just a regional my whole career.

 

[Mike man]

time to update the list

 

[Morgoth]

Clickers?

 

[El Pobre]

OK, so now if you choose not to wear an ALPA pin on your tie you are equated to a SCAB. Really???...what a bunch of morons! That's like saying you're anti-American if you don't wear a flag lapel on your jacket.

"guys who don't wear their pins in ops and such usually get a bit of a cold shoulder"...Seriously?...go back to high school!

I see alot of guys who wear different ties tacks, some ALPA, some Military wings, some guys a college logo, some people a cross, one guy even had a breast cancer thing in memory of his deceased wife...Like some of you posted here, just because a guy wears an ALPA pin doesn't make him a good pilot or even good union member.

I've seen ALPA members at a union meeting call for our junior pilots to be furloughed rather than taking a pay cut during the recession...but...if I recall correctly he was wearing an ALPA pin so that must have made his a good union brother.

Seriously, you guys need to get a life and stop worry about what tie tacks guys are wearing...and I gotta find something better to do on layovers than read this drivel.

 

[ualdriver]

OK, so now if you choose not to wear an ALPA pin on your tie you are equated to a SCAB. Really???...what a bunch of morons! That's like saying you're anti-American if you don't wear a flag lapel on your jacket.

"guys who don't wear their pins in ops and such usually get a bit of a cold shoulder"...Seriously?...go back to high school!

I see alot of guys who wear different ties tacks, some ALPA, some Military wings, some guys a college logo, some people a cross, one guy even had a breast cancer thing in memory of his deceased wife...Like some of you posted here, just because a guy wears an ALPA pin doesn't make him a good pilot or even good union member.

I've seen ALPA members at a union meeting call for our junior pilots to be furloughed rather than taking a pay cut during the recession...but...if I recall correctly he was wearing an ALPA pin so that must have made his a good union brother.

Seriously, you guys need to get a life and stop worry about what tie tacks guys are wearing...and I gotta find something better to do on layovers than read this drivel.

Ummmm....you're way over reacting....if you don't want to wear your ALPA pin, don't wear a pin. At UAL, the vast majority of guys who don't wear their pins are scabs. They are not "equated" as scabs......they likely are scabs. If you want guys to think that you are likely a scab, hey whatever. Those guys are scum and betrayed the profession at both your airline and mine and frankly I don't like being around them unless it is required in a professional capacity. If you're not wearing a pin, excuse me if I don't want to hang out and chit chat or have a beer. It's not high-schoolish. I just don't like to be around people I hold in low regard.

So whenever airline management threatens layoffs, the pilot group should take pay cuts or they're not unionists? That's a slippery slope. If I were a CEO, I'd just threaten layoffs every other quarter and I'd have my pilots working for free!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It will be interesting b/c the mother ship(ALPA National) "forgave" the scabs so that they would vote ALPA on property. We also have some scabs who have since become the good "unionist" by becoming UDOs and other volunteer positions as well as holding the line on some things that are allowed by the CBA, but are detrimental to our group and the furloughs, while non-scabs pick up FO open time for 150% pay the month before the furloughs.
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Something about the ALPA pres eating cake with CAL scabs?

My understanding is ALPA was required by law to accept the CAL scabs into ALPA because the IACP had accepted them in good standing. The real issue is why did the CAL in house union accept scabs?

What sort of reference is there to forgiving scabs to get ALPA back on the property? Or was it just ALPA following the law?

 

[Golden Falcon]

"members with unfortunate dates of hire".....guess I should have crossed....

 

[eaglesview]

OK, so now if you choose not to wear an ALPA pin on your tie you are equated to a SCAB. Really???...what a bunch of morons! That's like saying you're anti-American if you don't wear a flag lapel on your jacket.

"guys who don't wear their pins in ops and such usually get a bit of a cold shoulder"...Seriously?...go back to high school!

I see alot of guys who wear different ties tacks, some ALPA, some Military wings, some guys a college logo, some people a cross, one guy even had a breast cancer thing in memory of his deceased wife...Like some of you posted here, just because a guy wears an ALPA pin doesn't make him a good pilot or even good union member.

I've seen ALPA members at a union meeting call for our junior pilots to be furloughed rather than taking a pay cut during the recession...but...if I recall correctly he was wearing an ALPA pin so that must have made his a good union brother.

Seriously, you guys need to get a life and stop worry about what tie tacks guys are wearing...and I gotta find something better to do on layovers than read this drivel.

Here's a news flash for you. It is ok to wear more than one pin. Some folks wear a pin on there jacket, overcoat whatever but at UAl we have a culture were a vast majority of the pilots wear a pin. as UALdriver said you don't have to wear one but you will not be warmly recieved on our side as we will assume there is a high probability you are a scab and we just don't find it necasary to associate with you.

 

[bizicmo]

Here's a news flash for you. It is ok to wear more than one pin. Some folks wear a pin on there jacket, overcoat whatever but at UAl we have a culture were a vast majority of the pilots wear a pin. as UALdriver said you don't have to wear one but you will not be warmly recieved on our side as we will assume there is a high probability you are a scab and we just don't find it necasary to associate with you.

That's quite a blanket statement that I will assume is directed to the people that look to be in their 60's and late 50's.

 

[jonjuan]

That's quite a blanket statement that I will assume is directed to the people that look to be in their 60's and late 50's.

Or kids of scabs. Plenty of those hired in '05/'06 most with 0 tpic, imagine that?

 

[nimtz]

Or kids of scabs. Plenty of those hired in '05/'06 most with 0 tpic, imagine that?

Plenty of those hired at UAL from '95-'00 as well.

 

[eaglesview]

That's quite a blanket statement that I will assume is directed to the people that look to be in their 60's and late 50's.

You are correct I should revise the statement. We will assume you are a scab or a wannabe scab or someone who just doesn't give a crap about hie fellow pilot. Either way the same response will occur.

 

[Scrapdog]

You are correct I should revise the statement. We will assume you are a scab or a wannabe scab or someone who just doesn't give a crap about hie fellow pilot. Either way the same response will occur.

Have you ever (or currently) served or flown in the military?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

here we go........again.....

 

[Flopgut]

Here's a thought: When we get this deal done, we need to consider our own union for the new UAL. That's a pin I want to wear!

 

[talespin]

OK, so now if you choose not to wear an ALPA pin on your tie you are equated to a SCAB. Really???...what a bunch of morons! That's like saying you're anti-American if you don't wear a flag lapel on your jacket.

"guys who don't wear their pins in ops and such usually get a bit of a cold shoulder"...Seriously?...go back to high school!

I see alot of guys who wear different ties tacks, some ALPA, some Military wings, some guys a college logo, some people a cross, one guy even had a breast cancer thing in memory of his deceased wife...Like some of you posted here, just because a guy wears an ALPA pin doesn't make him a good pilot or even good union member.

I've seen ALPA members at a union meeting call for our junior pilots to be furloughed rather than taking a pay cut during the recession...but...if I recall correctly he was wearing an ALPA pin so that must have made his a good union brother.

Seriously, you guys need to get a life and stop worry about what tie tacks guys are wearing...and I gotta find something better to do on layovers than read this drivel.

It's not about the tie tack but the unity in which it represents. There is a lot about ALPA I don't care for but I truly believe in the brotherhood. We CANNOT be overrun by management if we stand together and therefore I wear my pin to show unity, not as a fashion statement. Don't be fooled, there is a battle taking place!

 

[taxi1wire]

Don't forget the hats....

 

[Sonny Crockett]

The jist of the thread is to let the CAL guys/gals know.....a slick tie (no ALPA pin) speaks volumes!

I forgot my pin one time.......and went straight to the Flight Office (Chief Pilot's office) and got a new one, YOU do NOT want to be seen without an ALPA pin.

Just makes it "easier" to out the SCABS..........and it works!!!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Here's a thought: When we get this deal done, we need to consider our own union for the new UAL. That's a pin I want to wear!

You are going to have to be more convincing than that.... A name is just that.... rebranding isn't going to solve the problems that collaboration, trust, respect, long standing relationships with govt and industry bring to the table.... let alone with each member.

If we don't like the way things are running let's change the motor not the paint job.....

This applies to the slick tie at UAL..... taking the pin off or wearing it upside down doesn't change much. However, actively particiapting in the process will yield better results... Will you get exactly what you want? There is a good chance you won't... but with some political skill there is a good change you will get some of what you want....


Take the principle to the MIL. If a soldier was jaded with the US and wore his US Flag or other insignia upside down or not at all, there would be response.... The point is we are all trying to defend the pilot profession and we can't do it with orders.....

 

[Scrapdog]

here we go........again.....

I'm sorry Rez...did you say something? This wasn't directed at you nor none of your business. Nor was it a slam directed at him...a question is all.

I'm sure you have a liberal blog you need to post urgently in the non-aviation section. Move along.

 

[Flopgut]

You are going to have to be more convincing than that.... A name is just that.... rebranding isn't going to solve the problems that collaboration, trust, respect, long standing relationships with govt and industry bring to the table.... let alone with each member.

If we don't like the way things are running let's change the motor not the paint job.....

This applies to the slick tie at UAL..... taking the pin off or wearing it upside down doesn't change much. However, actively particiapting in the process will yield better results... Will you get exactly what you want? There is a good chance you won't... but with some political skill there is a good change you will get some of what you want....


Take the principle to the MIL. If a soldier was jaded with the US and wore his US Flag or other insignia upside down or not at all, there would be response.... The point is we are all trying to defend the pilot profession and we can't do it with orders.....

The new UAL is going to have a lot of unique issues and a tremendous amount of ground to make up for all members. I believe a fresh start might be in order. We'll have to see; that's down the line a ways... Maybe ALPA can be turned around. I'm kind of tired of trying. Of the three unions I've been in as a pilot, this is the most difficult to make changes in.