Continental pilots/post merger.....ALPA pins?

[Twotter Driver]

Is your tie so small that you cannot fit two pins. How about sticking the ALPA pin on your id badge. Or just walk around looking like the ones that crossed our picket line. I and most of my fellow UAL pilots are fullt aware that on the CO side there are ALPA pin wearing picket line crossers. We, and anyone else who care know who they are.

It's funny you say that. I don't even need a scab list or Employee number to pick out a scab from the crowd. There is a certain cheapness or sleaziness that they exude as a general population. They tend to be the nervous, unkempt types, that have a hard time looking a fellow pilot in the eye. Most, I have noticed, don't wear an ALPA pin. Many wear a company years of service pin where the ALPA pin would normally be worn. This to me indicates a die hard company man that is proud to flaunt when he was hired with the airline, something I wouldn't be proud of if I were them. There is roughly 500 of them left here at CAL, but they sure do stick out like a sore thumb! I believe the youngest scab is 49 years old, so unfortunately it looks like it will be another 16 years before we are scab free.

 

[densoo]

GMAFB. Sometimes I wear my military jet on my tie as opposed to my ALPA pin. Am I a scab? I didn't even know what a scab was until I got hired @ CAL (since I was instead deploying left and right flying fighters in the AD AF). You've got to get over this pin bullsh*t. Any scab can wear 10 ALPA pins but he's still a scab (and some do today). This relationship between a pin and being a scab is completely illogical.

Because you wear a military jet pin doesn't mean you were in the military, either. Perhaps you are a military hobbyist.

But there are certain assumptions made when you do wear a military jet pin: that you were in the military, that you flew jets, that you are proud of this, that you hold a kinship with those who did what you did, and that in a pinch you would support them as they would you.

Try applying this reasoning to the ALPA pin.

 

[rtseatrich]

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It's funny you say that. I don't even need a scab list or Employee number to pick out a scab from the crowd. There is a certain cheapness or sleaziness that they exude as a general population. They tend to be the nervous, unkempt types, that have a hard time looking a fellow pilot in the eye. Most, I have noticed, don't wear an ALPA pin. Many wear a company years of service pin where the ALPA pin would normally be worn. This to me indicates a die hard company man that is proud to flaunt when he was hired with the airline, something I wouldn't be proud of if I were them. There is roughly 500 of them left here at CAL, but they sure do stick out like a sore thumb! I believe the youngest scab is 49 years old, so unfortunately it looks like it will be another 16 years before we are scab free.

Actually, my buddy just flew with one who was born in 1963. Probably too fat to make it to 60 much less 65.

 

[Scrapdog]

Is your tie so small that you cannot fit two pins. How about sticking the ALPA pin on your id badge. Or just walk around looking like the ones that crossed our picket line. I and most of my fellow UAL pilots are fullt aware that on the CO side there are ALPA pin wearing picket line crossers. We, and anyone else who care know who they are.

Yep, you got me...because I don't have my alpa pin on my tie that day I would most certainly look like a scab that crossed the picket line in 1983. Oh wait, I'm friggin 33 years old and was born in 1977. So, if I did cross the picket line, I would have been 6 and just finishing 1st grade. From what I remember, I was playing on the playground that year and not employed with Continental. Maybe you can do a background check if you don't believe me.

Try consulting a list or better yet - why don't you use some basic reasoning...if a dude looks like he's in his late 20's to early 30's, he probably isn't a scab from '83. I know, I know...the logic is just unbelievable here.

 

[Scrapdog]

Because you wear a military jet pin doesn't mean you were in the military, either. Perhaps you are a military hobbyist.

But there are certain assumptions made when you do wear a military jet pin: that you were in the military, that you flew jets, that you are proud of this, that you hold a kinship with those who did what you did, and that in a pinch you would support them as they would you.

Try applying this reasoning to the ALPA pin.

I don't disagree with your logic. However, here's some logic as well. If a person is curious about another's background (i.e. if he flew jets in the military) you casually ask him "hey, did you fly in the military?" He'll either respond yes or no. If you're curious whether he was employed @ CAL in '83 and not wearing an alpa pin, you can casually ask as well. And the fact I'm in my early 30's is probably a dead giveaway as to whether I ever crossed a picket line in '83, much less had anything to do with the airlines (ref earlier post).

Reasoning and logic are such amazing tools.

P.S. If we ever fly together, you'll see I'm pretty laid back. As a matter of fact I could care less what your background is or where you came from (not that I don't mind chatting about it...or anything to do with hot chicks...but of course I digress), but I don't hold any preconcieved notions one way or another. All I care about is getting from point A to point B safely, getting along, and getting home once the trip is done. That's about it.

 

[eaglesview]

Yep, you got me...because I don't have my alpa pin on my tie that day I would most certainly look like a scab that crossed the picket line in 1983. Oh wait, I'm friggin 33 years old and was born in 1977. So, if I did cross the picket line, I would have been 6 and just finishing 1st grade. From what I remember, I was playing on the playground that year and not employed with Continental. Maybe you can do a background check if you don't believe me.

Try consulting a list or better yet - why don't you use some basic reasoning...if a dude looks like he's in his late 20's to early 30's, he probably isn't a scab from '83. I know, I know...the logic is just unbelievable here.

It's not just about wether or not you are or were a picket line crosser. It is about wether you choose to show you fellow pilots you are with them or do you choose to show management that the pilot group may be fragmented and not unified. You choose the path you want to go down. One would think that a military guy would clearly understand the importance of sticking together.

In closing. no sir your logic is twisted.

 

[Scrapdog]

It's not just about wether or not you are or were a picket line crosser. It is about wether you choose to show you fellow pilots you are with them or do you choose to show management that the pilot group may be fragmented and not unified. You choose the path you want to go down. One would think that a military guy would clearly understand the importance of sticking together.

In closing. no sir your logic is twisted.

I'm certainly not with management. All I try to do is be professional, humble, and courteous. You are free to believe whatever you'd like about me. And as long as a fellow pilot was unfairly accused by management (or anyone else for that matter) and he was acting in good faith, I'd be glad to have his back...and that's whether I had an alpa pin on my tie or not.

 

[densoo]

I don't hold any preconcieved notions one way or another.

I do. If you're wearing a "military jet pin" and want to talk about "hot chicks" then my preconcieved notion is pretty set on this one.

 

[Scrapdog]

I do. If you're wearing a "military jet pin" and want to talk about "hot chicks" then my preconcieved notion is pretty set on this one.

As you wish.

 

[Speedtape]

Or, maybe it was part of the "Taking it all back" campaign?

 

[eaglesview]

I'm certainly not with management. All I try to do is be professional, humble, and courteous. You are free to believe whatever you'd like about me. And as long as a fellow pilot was unfairly accused by management (or anyone else for that matter) and he was acting in good faith, I'd be glad to have his back...and that's whether I had an alpa pin on my tie or not.

Your post sounds good and mirrors the feelings of the vast majority of pilots here at UAL and I am sure at CO. Your attire will conflict with your first sentence and give the wrong impression to management and the hundreds of pilots you do not fly with and get to know, but simply pass by in ops or the terminal.

 

[Scrapdog]

Your post sounds good and mirrors the feelings of the vast majority of pilots here at UAL and I am sure at CO. Your attire will conflict with your first sentence and give the wrong impression to management and the hundreds of pilots you do not fly with and get to know, but simply pass by in ops or the terminal.

Eagle - WADR, I've really exhausted all I had to say here. I really wasn't going to say anything at all, but the fact some guys on here (not mentioning names, you can look at the prior posts) are so unequiovically convinced that no alpa pin on the tie MUST equal a scab, that I just couldn't take the gross flawed logic on it.

As I mentioned - the alpa pin on the tie has zero to do with being a scab. Absolutely zero. The last scab I unfortunately flew with out of IAH had a gleaming, shiny alpa pin strapped right to his tie. And yes indeed - he was indeed a scab (name was on the list and acted just like one as well). That's the problem...as I mentioned earlier...anyone can put a million alpa pins all over their uniform...if they're a scab from '83, they're still a scab.

Instead of demeaning guys for not wearing an alpa pin and convincing yourself that he must be a scab, use factual data. That can be either the list or asking other reliable sources. And above all, use common sense. If you're flying with a relatively young guy (i.e. 33 years old...he probably didn't cross the picket line now did he)?? I'd bet you'd be amazed how friendly and enjoyable the trip may be if you drop any preconcieved notions and just chatted with him like a normal adult.

P.S. I do wear an alpa pin...it was been affixed firmly to my blazer along with an american flag pin. And my military pin has been on my tie. And I've never had a problem, nor have I ever been put on someone's no fly list. As my prior squadron commander once told me..."be humble, be credible, and be approachable." And that's exactly what I try to do.

P.P.S. I did not hang out with that scab one minute on that trip, nor have I on the previous trips as well.

 

[eaglesview]

Eagle - WADR, I've really exhausted all I had to say here. I really wasn't going to say anything at all, but the fact some guys on here (not mentioning names, you can look at the prior posts) are so unequiovically convinced that no alpa pin on the tie MUST equal a scab, that I just couldn't take the gross flawed logic on it.

As I mentioned - the alpa pin on the tie has zero to do with being a scab. Absolutely zero. The last scab I unfortunately flew with out of IAH had a gleaming, shiny alpa pin strapped right to his tie. And yes indeed - he was indeed a scab (name was on the list and acted just like one as well). That's the problem...as I mentioned earlier...anyone can put a million alpa pins all over their uniform...if they're a scab from '83, they're still a scab.

Instead of demeaning guys for not wearing an alpa pin and convincing yourself that he must be a scab, use factual data. That can be either the list or asking other reliable sources. And above all, use common sense. If you're flying with a relatively young guy (i.e. 33 years old...he probably didn't cross the picket line now did he)?? I'd bet you'd be amazed how friendly and enjoyable the trip may be if you drop any preconcieved notions and just chatted with him like a normal adult.

P.S. I do wear an alpa pin...it was been affixed firmly to my blazer along with an american flag pin. And my military pin has been on my tie. And I've never had a problem, nor have I ever been put on someone's no fly list. As my prior squadron commander once told me..."be humble, be credible, and be approachable." And that's exactly what I try to do.

P.P.S. I did not hang out with that scab one minute on that trip, nor have I on the previous trips as well.

I wasn't really looking for a response. I understand your position. All is well. However I am having touble with WADR.?? I'm a bit slow I know.

 

[T Bone]

Actually, my buddy just flew with one who was born in 1963. Probably too fat to make it to 60 much less 65.

Also flew with one in ewr born in 1963 EAL scab, most f/o's have him on the no fly list on the 737. Simple way to remember is Scab free in 2023, Prater made us wait till 2028

 

[Scrapdog]

I wasn't really looking for a response. I understand your position. All is well. However I am having touble with WADR.?? I'm a bit slow I know.

Wadr = with all due respect

 

[beytzim]

The stupidest part of all you "pro-union" guys is that I'm sure 99% percent of you are Republicans. Talk about a bunch of naive hypocrites.

 

[pianoman]

Also flew with one in ewr born in 1963 EAL scab, most f/o's have him on the no fly list on the 737. Simple way to remember is Scab free in 2023, Prater made us wait till 2028

EWR based? T.F. and O.B. came to mind but didn't match.....

 

[SFR]

Why do you guys worry about scabs so much. What about you that PFTed back in the 90s??? You screwed the industry too just as much as they did to their contemporaries!!

 

[SFR]

EWR based? T.F. and O.B. came to mind but didn't match.....

Fuller is a good guy.... if you have a problem with him I suggest you tell him to his face...

 

[UALRATT]

Yep, you got me...because I don't have my alpa pin on my tie that day I would most certainly look like a scab that crossed the picket line in 1983. Oh wait, I'm friggin 33 years old and was born in 1977. So, if I did cross the picket line, I would have been 6 and just finishing 1st grade. From what I remember, I was playing on the playground that year and not employed with Continental. Maybe you can do a background check if you don't believe me.

Try consulting a list or better yet - why don't you use some basic reasoning...if a dude looks like he's in his late 20's to early 30's, he probably isn't a scab from '83. I know, I know...the logic is just unbelievable here.

Your quarreling makes you sound like you're still 6. Just wear the thing and be done with it...