the unfathomable:regional crew attempted takeoff with one engine turning

[Rerouted]

Flame, not flame, it doesn't make a difference - this does happen. I remember 10 years ago when a crew did this at another airline. The captain, who was the pilot flying, aborted thinking he had a flame out and then quickly realized what he had done. ATC then asked him if he needed the trucks after they saw smoke coming from the engine....of course that smoke was from him starting the engine as he taxiied off the runway. Somehow he managed to get away with it. Does this indicate a bad pilot or a bad day?

A year later he took off knowing he had a flat right main tire. When he landed he not only wiped out the other tire on that side of the plane but managed to take both tires off the rim. I was deadheading on that flight and talked to him afterwards. He openly admitted what he did and acted as if it were an everyday event. Scary? Yes. So where is he now? Flying for a major. This is fact, not flame. These things happen out there. Nobody including me turned him in...maybe that was the bigger sin.

 

[ackattacker]

you cock$uckers don't want to let this die do you.

You show your true character more and more with every post.

This is YOUR thread that YOU started looking for some sort of moral support. Don't like what you're hearing? Not feeling the love? Good! I'd rather fly with the crew who made that mistake and owned up to it than you, Dr. Skygod.

 

[Dan Roman]

You show your true character more and more with every post.

This is YOUR thread that YOU started looking for some sort of moral support. Don't like what you're hearing? Not feeling the love? Good! I'd rather fly with the crew who made that mistake and owned up to it than you, Dr. Skygod.

A lot of truth to your statement. The fact that Realman seems to think he is right and everyone else is a c&%ksucker rather than be open to the fact that perhaps he could have handled it better would indicate he may be more likely than the crew he is bashing to arrogantly cause an accident.

 

[Lynxman]

I just wish I woulda known that I was on a forum with a bunch of c&%ksuckers. Man now that I think about it this place is pretty gay.

 

[hou757]

You show your true character more and more with every post.

This is YOUR thread that YOU started looking for some sort of moral support. Don't like what you're hearing? Not feeling the love? Good! I'd rather fly with the crew who made that mistake and owned up to it than you, Dr. Skygod.

Excellent post! I too would fly with that crew any day before I rode with "genius"

 

[aewanabe]

you cock$uckers don't want to let this die do you.

pipejockey,
the fear swept through the cabin after they attempted the takeoff...it was no calmly "oh, we have zero thrust" they thought they had full thrust.

after 9/11, stories of drunk pilots, the roller coaster ride we had, dead bodies on snowy nights, it was a gut reaction and one made out of air safety.

there is all this talk about air safety and getting you there as safely as possible, but what about terrorizing the pax before you leave the ground?
yes they were upset. about six in the back that confirmed what we all heard

if you read earlier, I said I emailed a journalist friend....not interested unless people die or there's damage , or official "incident" if we had run off the runway, sure.....if you consider the evolution of marvin renslow's career, I simply thought I was flying with his cousin....that's all

it's water under the damn now....they'll do their mia copa and go on...
i don't give a crap.....

two final points- there's always an A$$hole spellchecker on FI and
a nutjob who wants to threaten violence and reprisals....this was not major airline flying, it was amatuer, private pilot working on his multi flying......put this way...if I ever saw this coX$ucker up front again and I was with the wife and kids...i'd run for the bar....I'll never fly with him again....

"Mea Culpa"... your grammar and spelling are far worse than my ten-year-old's. The regional in question has some of the best training in the US and above-average pay. I'd really love to know what "major" airline you work for because your histrionics indicate you would not react to any real emergency with any aplomb whatsoever.

 

[txpilottj]

RMOG...

I don't often post here...I prefer to stay out of the sandbox, but congratulations, you managed to push enough of my buttons to call in an airstrike on your position.

I will grant you that the crew you're trying to crucify needs some retraining, but ask yourself this.

When was the last time you made a mistake? Are you really sure no one saw you picking up that transvestite hooker you fell in love with last night???

Put down your slingshot, stop looking for your 15 minutes of Internet glory and realize that ALL pilots(and I'll be generous and include you there) live in glass houses.

Would you want someone to run to CNN with audio from you and Biff getting it on last night when you got drunk in SFO? NO? Then how about cutting your fellow pilot some slack and thinking your actions through for a change!!

If you're that upset, talk to the crew, let them know you were uncomfortable, then address it in the LEAST damaging way possible, IE Pro Standards! EVERY time the media gets hold of something like this it hurts us ALL. Furthermore, you're talking about 2 guys livelihoods....again, would you want to have your next trailer payment jeopardized by someone who saw you screw up?

Oh that's right I forgot...your sxxxt don't stink and you'd NEVER get tired, distracted, confused, etc.

Running to the FAA & media shows your lack of character. I'd rather fly with the guys you tried to burn after they go thru retraining than you any day. They will learn from their mistake....you on the other hand have revealed yourself as a snake in the grass.

 

[sniper]

this morning out of GSO our erj 145 crew flying us en route to O Hare took a takeoff clearance on runway 23. took it on the roll and lined up, applied full power. within seconds the flight spoilers deployed. at the exit, i noticed along with another pax, and a another major airline pilot, that #1 was spooling up. we all heard it. we confronted the crew at the gate. they missed it and they confessed. I called the feds. the insanity stops. this is unfathomable..

the tower said they didn't mention it...go figure...but one thing is clear ..they took the runway, lined up, applied full power to two, and then aborted, the spoilers deployed...


this story may break in the next few days... #1 was not running......

Somehow we have to make sure we dont hire you.

 

[MILPILOT17]

You contacted the Feds, what an ahole you are.

The crew learned from this. They are better for it. Not the ideal way to learn.

You have NO idea the crap treatment, the crap schedules the regional guys go through. Not an excuse, but contributing factor.

Go screw yourself

Did the crew from Comair that took off on the wrong runway in Kentucky learn anything? Their passengers learned about death! Don't know what the right answer is, but no crew that does something like try to takeoff on one engine should be let off without some type of re-training at the very least.

 

[kf4amu]

Pilots shouldn't have to be trained to start both engines prior to takeoff, much less REtrained

 

[buscap]

Doing the right thing is sometimes painful.Realmanofgenius is a doooosh of large proportion. We're talkin enough vinegar to clean up Rosie Odonnel.

Going to the faa is actually proper, just as the crew should Nasa or Asap, but going to the press means he is nothing more than an undesirable alternative to a turd sandwich.

 

[ehaecker]

Part of being an ATP is to be of good moral character. RMOG clearly doesn't fit that description.

 

[imacdog]

Did the crew from Comair that took off on the wrong runway in Kentucky learn anything? Their passengers learned about death! Don't know what the right answer is, but no crew that does something like try to takeoff on one engine should be let off without some type of re-training at the very least.

Who said they tried to takeoff? Wouldn't it be more like, the crew made a mistake, noticed the mistake, and corrected the mistake without ever putting the aircraft in danger. Happens all the time. Certainly less dangerous than say, trying to advance power on a dead engine while leaving a good engine at idle while using the wrong flap setting on a landing approach, right? If the crew had continued the takeoff then I suppose we'd have something to talk about.

 

[Dubya]

RMOG,

As a registered Part-time Genius, I will try to rise above the name calling fray and simply tell you that if what you did is in fact true, you could not have handled it more unprofessionally. Would you react the same to DAL landing on a taxiway? Would you have confronted those "legacy" pilots in the same manner? Are you not as fed up with "legacy" pilots' mistakes?

I think all of us share your concern for these types of errors, but why don't you take a step back and understand that the way you handled it was completely and totally out of line.

If you can't admit this, you are just a coward.

 

[dojetdriver]

Going to the faa is actually proper, just as the crew should Nasa or Asap, but going to the press means he is nothing more than an undesirable alternative to a turd sandwich.

Got to disagree with you here. NO it's NOT proper. You tell them face to face that you're uncomfortable, THEN you contact your pro stans people, who will then contact their pro stans people.

Keep the FAA the ******************** out of it.