the unfathomable:regional crew attempted takeoff with one engine turning

[Mike man]

one more thing...I dedicate this thread to the jumpseater on colgan 3407...to have a coworker kill you just blows...also i realized this after a 15 hour flight...I didn't drink a beer, but I am so pissed because they guys tried to kill me this morning...I'm really pissed

no arrivals into GSO from further than BQN in the past week...sorry dude, try again.

 

[say again]

my point is that, you are not a nice person.

i don't care who you are, I can tell (and others can too) that you are a person not worth knowing, or wanting to know.

hahahaha, thanks for the laugh.

 

[Alchemy]

Notice how it's people with no ERJ time saying how outrageous this was. If you've flown the plane you know how easy it can be. The engines aren't part of the takeoff config check, and there are no EICAS messages associated with an engine being off. The takeoff config only checks for flaps, parking brake, spoilers, and trim. Yes, it was very poor airmanship and it is inexcusable, but to act like you were about to die is pretty far fetched. Even if the pilots had their heads too far up their asses to notice all the engine indications at 0, it's pretty obvious to any pilot once you apply power with only one engine running, the takeoff needs to be aborted.

I said the same thing when trans states did it a few months ago. Combine pressure to save fuel with fatigue, maybe rushing to make an EDCT to ORD, and a poorly designed eicas/to config setup, and it's definitely an issue. With 1000 ERJ's flying around in 121, I bet it happens at least once a month somewhere, probably more. And no, I haven't done it.

 

[sunlitpath]

You can fly on one engine. It's best if you do it after V1 though...

 

[Lear70]

Gotcha, I didn't mean what I said in a negative way.

Cool, I didn't take it rudely, been on this board with ya for what, several YEARS now?

Actually, I'm stressed out, so it makes my posting style less laid back than usual. I can see how I might have come across a little aggressively, but that's the joys (and pitfalls) of an internet message board.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled FI mud slinging...

 

[SLUF4]

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[trip]

Take a vacation Lear.

 

[Long Time Gone]

I find it amazing how many people here consider the original poster an "a$$hole", etc., if this story is true. I'm sure you would all equally find him to be an "a$$hole", etc., if next week your wife or girlfriend was on the flight with the same Captain and FO after they crashed and killed everyone except for the original poster and you found out that he could have prevented the accident by informing the Feds a week prior. The "schedules" and "abuse" that all of you cry about are no excuse for professionalism and capability.

 

[mckpickle]

alright, just got to asia..let me address this...first;the insults: back at you. myself, another major airline pilot, and four witnesses observed it, heard #1 get started after we exited. the other pilot and myself both agreed this was most incompentent act any airline pilot coud ever do.

ask the families of those marvin winslow took away if they think I'm a DB...

to want to cover up this kind of incompetence,wrecklessness and dereliction of duty has no defense....

I have contacted a journalist....No reply...CNN would love it....it shows the regionals need to weed out the marginal pilots immediately. the public and congress, my wife and kids might disagree with you. shame on you for wanting to sweep an attempted takeoff on one engine under the rug...

these guys knew I meant it and if you think me and the other guy were walking off without addressing them, you're drunk, a fellow loser, or have a twisted view of what is ethically,professionally and morally right. two know crashes, comair and colgan, came from derelict acts and incompentence...sorry it ends now...I won't have the blood of passengers on my hands since I witnessed along with a fellow major aviator this unprecedented act of wreckless endangerment....there is a level when you say, I can't look the other way...today was it...

so, in sum, F U!!! also, I willl see the ASAP , I willl speak to their DO, company CEO and If I find out they lied.... their display of total incompentence makes me think..what happens when they do lose one, what happens in a rapid decom, dual hyd failure, dual elect, shoot single elect...basically they don't deserve to fly airliners...

since we're all still alive, I can say this...but because I had another guy to verify my thoughts,opinions, and reaction...we're in fulll agreement.

they better not lie on that ASAP since they both admitted it to me and another pilot..


i don't mind having dialog on this after all, I did not name any specifics subject to a complete inquiry... no free pass on this one...to excuse this which is what you detractors are doing can only suggest you don't think the guys at comair or colgan did anything wrong or wreckless.

what I'm for: ridding the low paid profession of loser pilots who denigrate the rest of us and kill people. by doing so, drive wages back up...and saving lives...after today, I have seen it all

Enjoying your 15 minutes of fame? So the crew F'd up. They broke the chain. Disaster averted. I'm sure they'll get some sort of retraining. But at least they didn't try to continue, start it on the roll (it's happened), or cover it up. You sir are have no soap box to stand on. You are not perfect as are none of us. Before allowing the media it's feeding frenzy, which will do much more damage, maybe you should follow proper chanels.

And thats about as professional as I can be. Otherwise I'd love to kick you square in the fukcing nuts for being such a large bag of ******************************!

 

[Long Time Gone]

I'd love to hear the CVR on this one. I'm sure it's NOTHING like the Colgan BUF CVR, the (whoever it was) CRW CVR, or the Comair LEX CVR. BTW, yes I knew Jeff Clay. He still screwed up.

 

[nerjdriver]

Enjoying your 15 minutes of fame? So the crew F'd up. They broke the chain. Disaster averted. I'm sure they'll get some sort of retraining. But at least they didn't try to continue, start it on the roll (it's happened), or cover it up. You sir are have no soap box to stand on. You are not perfect as are none of us. Before allowing the media it's feeding frenzy, which will do much more damage, maybe you should follow proper chanels.

And thats about as professional as I can be. Otherwise I'd love to kick you square in the fukcing nuts for being such a large bag of ******************************!

SH!T.

Thats how you finish that. I think finding out who this individual is, who he works for would be good information. Then certain people may contact his employer about improper statements to the press as laid out in his FOM.

A picture, name and address, would also be useful the next time he needs a favor from a regional pilot. Sorry skygod, but the w&b just doesnt work this morning.

Oh what am i thinking. This gereatric fuc& is above the law. I am disgusted by people like this. But the best part of life is that people like this loser always get what's coming.

 

[nerjdriver]

I am so pissed because they guys tried to kill me this morning...I'm really pissed

Yea they did, they saw you at the gate and had the same reaction everybody has with you.


"What a loser, lets put him out of his missery"

 

[dojetdriver]

I find it amazing how many people here consider the original poster an "a$$hole", etc., if this story is true. I'm sure you would all equally find him to be an "a$$hole", etc., if next week your wife or girlfriend was on the flight with the same Captain and FO after they crashed and killed everyone except for the original poster and you found out that he could have prevented the accident by informing the Feds a week prior. The "schedules" and "abuse" that all of you cry about are no excuse for professionalism and capability.

If what the OP said was true, he's and a$$hole for his actions of contacting the feds/media on this. Again, assuming he did what he said he did.

He could have very easily circumvented his a$$ hole factor by asking what the problem was when they got to ORD, and by not saying anything on an internet message board. THEN, getting in touch with the Pro Standards department of the airline he rode on, voice his concerns, and let it go from there. DON'T call the CEO, DON'T call the chief pilot, etc.

Since he chose an alternate course of action, that is what makes him and a$$hole. As well as, dare I say, and un professional pilot.

 

[nerjdriver]

What's inflammatory is the fact that there are large numbers of these type crews at the regionals. We all know it and it's a miracle more accidents have not happened. Interesting how we never heard these type stories a couple of decades ago, it's directly related to sjs syndrome. No one is perfect, but as with many things, there is a certain level of competence required...simple truth.

This has NOTHING TO DO with SJS.

Like the level of competence of majors in suce unfathomable incidents such as:

CO in denver: Rudder vs Tiller
CO in EWR (I know, which time right): Landing on taxiway Z.
DAL in ATL: Landing on a taxiway.

These are a few from this year. Should I elaborate? Maybe include accidents where many people have been killed by VERY SENIOR major airline pilots with or without SJS. Oh i will anyway, AA in LIT, AA in Columbia, UA in Oregon. Are you telling me that they were incompetent and had SJS?

Mistakes happen, errors happen. They never rotated and aborted immediately. Has nothing to do with competence but was a mistake. You of all people should realize this.

Maybe skygod and you should take a minute and analyze what the Colgan crash really taught us. Workrules, duty times, compensation etc...

That is where this SHOULD be centered. Not realmanofgenius' ego.

Oh and btw mr professional realmanofgenius, do you think it is appropriate to have a user id that directly relates to the consumption of alcohol?

 

[chignutsak]

Where was the sanctimonious shouting from the OP when a major flew into a Colombian mountain, or when the major landed on a taxiway, or when the major overflew their destination because they were "distracted", or when the major...

 

[kf4amu]

What is the retraining for a crew that does this?

"So how many engines should you have running when you take off?"

"2"

"Ok...sounds good. We're done"

 

[realmanofgenius]

I am RALMAO at the name calling....as to the facts. there were six witnesses in the back. they included myself , and another 121 legacy pilot.
the one sane point raised was the correct one about these guys or others who just plain f up and people die. it ain't cool.

I would never have published any specifics to this case, but when it comes into the public domain, watch out... to the tool who thought I was flying to asia out of GSO direct...no comment..

This will come out ....in due time.... amazing the messenger gets shot at ..
some people can't fly airliners and have no business wearing epaulets..

some of you can't handle the truth...

retraining can't clearup this kind of cockpit breakdown by a captain...we're not talking about forgetting to turn on the lights.....he forgot to turn on engine #1....this is beyond bizarre...

 

[Lear70]

Take a vacation Lear.

Monday. My first one in 3 years since all this crap with AirTran started...

 

[nerjdriver]

I am RALMAO at the name calling....as to the facts. there were six witnesses in the back. they included myself , and another 121 legacy pilot.
the one sane point raised was the correct one about these guys or others who just plain f up and people die. it ain't cool.

I would never have published any specifics to this case, but when it comes into the public domain, watch out... to the tool who thought I was flying to asia out of GSO direct...no comment..

This will come out ....in due time.... amazing the messenger gets shot at ..
some people can't fly airliners and have no business wearing epaulets..

some of you can't handle the truth...

retraining can't clearup this kind of cockpit breakdown by a captain...we're not talking about forgetting to turn on the lights.....he forgot to turn on engine #1....this is beyond bizarre...

Go away.

And why do you keep calling yourself a "legacy pilot"? Your a pilot, nothing more. Being a legacy pilot isn't as impressive as it used to be pal.

I say just watch your back.

 

[hou757]

I am RALMAO at the name calling....as to the facts. there were six witnesses in the back. they included myself , and another 121 legacy pilot.
the one sane point raised was the correct one about these guys or others who just plain f up and people die. it ain't cool.

I would never have published any specifics to this case, but when it comes into the public domain, watch out... to the tool who thought I was flying to asia out of GSO direct...no comment..

This will come out ....in due time.... amazing the messenger gets shot at ..
some people can't fly airliners and have no business wearing epaulets..

some of you can't handle the truth...

retraining can't clearup this kind of cockpit breakdown by a captain...we're not talking about forgetting to turn on the lights.....he forgot to turn on engine #1....this is beyond bizarre...

YOU just don't get it do you? Wait for all the facts and deal with it PROFESSIONALLY. Calling the media just hurts your own profession not just that of possibly these two folks.