the unfathomable:regional crew attempted takeoff with one engine turning

[nerjdriver]

On the ERJ there are almost NO EICAS messages when only one engine is running. Also, the T/O config check does not check for only one engine running. I'm not excusing this, but I can see how it can happen. I don't see how this is any worse than CONTINENTAL forgetting to use the rudder in a 50kt crosswind takeoff.

Continental was MUCH WORSE. Reference the airplane on fire on the side of the runway broken into three peices. I also find it interesting that the cause of mainline accidents is also pilot error, and often very senior pilot error.

This profession does not have room for the "I am a better pilot than everybody else because I have been doing it longer than you" mentality. Those individuals that exhibit the "macho" behavior referenced in the AIM and should be treated as the threat they truly are.

 

[Lear70]

Worst of all, the original poster is talking about a Regional Crew....in the majors section. Blasphemy!

Good point.

Fixed.

/mod

 

[hou757]

I have contacted a major newspaper reporter who covered the colgan crash....this is for the families of the victims of colgan 3407 and comair out of Lex...people don't need to die on order for change to occur. we fix this now. a few bad apples will ruin the bushel

You sir are NO realmanofgenius..

 

[realmanofgenius]

alright, just got to asia..let me address this...first;the insults: back at you. myself, another major airline pilot, and four witnesses observed it, heard #1 get started after we exited. the other pilot and myself both agreed this was most incompentent act any airline pilot coud ever do.

ask the families of those marvin winslow took away if they think I'm a DB...

to want to cover up this kind of incompetence,wrecklessness and dereliction of duty has no defense....

I have contacted a journalist....No reply...CNN would love it....it shows the regionals need to weed out the marginal pilots immediately. the public and congress, my wife and kids might disagree with you. shame on you for wanting to sweep an attempted takeoff on one engine under the rug...

these guys knew I meant it and if you think me and the other guy were walking off without addressing them, you're drunk, a fellow loser, or have a twisted view of what is ethically,professionally and morally right. two know crashes, comair and colgan, came from derelict acts and incompentence...sorry it ends now...I won't have the blood of passengers on my hands since I witnessed along with a fellow major aviator this unprecedented act of wreckless endangerment....there is a level when you say, I can't look the other way...today was it...

so, in sum, F U!!! also, I willl see the ASAP , I willl speak to their DO, company CEO and If I find out they lied.... their display of total incompentence makes me think..what happens when they do lose one, what happens in a rapid decom, dual hyd failure, dual elect, shoot single elect...basically they don't deserve to fly airliners...

since we're all still alive, I can say this...but because I had another guy to verify my thoughts,opinions, and reaction...we're in fulll agreement.

they better not lie on that ASAP since they both admitted it to me and another pilot..


i don't mind having dialog on this after all, I did not name any specifics subject to a complete inquiry... no free pass on this one...to excuse this which is what you detractors are doing can only suggest you don't think the guys at comair or colgan did anything wrong or wreckless.

what I'm for: ridding the low paid profession of loser pilots who denigrate the rest of us and kill people. by doing so, drive wages back up...and saving lives...after today, I have seen it all

 

[hou757]

I seriously doubt that you know all the facts of what happened in that cockpit. If you were a "realmanofgenius" you would have taken time to get more info from the crew and their company/union before "contacting a journalist" as you say you have. That sir is your biggest mistake. I'm glad to see you are flying in a foreign land. I don't think many would want to fly with you here... Good day!

 

[realmanofgenius]

one more thing...I dedicate this thread to the jumpseater on colgan 3407...to have a coworker kill you just blows...also i realized this after a 15 hour flight...I didn't drink a beer, but I am so pissed because they guys tried to kill me this morning...I'm really pissed

 

[say again]

one more thing...I dedicate this thread to the jumpseater on colgan 3407...to have a coworker kill you just blows...also i realized this after a 15 hour flight...I didn't drink a beer, but I am so pissed because they guys tried to kill me this morning...I'm really pissed

Grow up!!

 

[Captzaahlie]

And if any of you guys call him Francis, he'll I'll kill you too!
(or call your Chief Pilot & his media journalist friend)

 

[trip]

How unprofessional for a MODERATETOR to jump on here and fan the flame of an already flammatory post, way to go Lear.

 

[SLUF4]

maybe you should contact the feds about the guy looking for airliner manuals on here

 

[Lear70]

How unprofessional for a MODERATETOR to jump on here and fan the flame of an already inflammatory post, way to go Lear.

Just because I'm a Mod doesn't mean I don't have a right to an opinion, any differently than you do.

My posting has absolutely nothing to do with my "professionalism" or lack thereof, any differently than any other poster on here, including you.

This is a non-airline-affiliated MESSAGE BOARD, not an airline cockpit or a Chief Pilot's office. I'm free to express my OPINION. So are you. I don't edit or delete other people's posts who disagree with me, but I don't simply cease to have an opinion solely because I'm a Mod. To think so is actually pretty ludicrous...

 

[say again]

Wow, take a chill Lear. No need to have a heart attack over this.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Just because I'm a Mod doesn't mean I don't have a right to an opinion, any differently than you do.

My posting has absolutely nothing to do with my "professionalism" or lack thereof, any differently than any other poster on here, including you.

This is a non-airline-affiliated MESSAGE BOARD, not an airline cockpit or a Chief Pilot's office. I'm free to express my OPINION. So are you. I don't edit or delete other people's posts who disagree with me, but I don't simply cease to have an opinion solely because I'm a Mod. To think so is actually pretty ludicrous...

This mod has always been a ******************************. Nothing has changed. My opinion. Let's see what he does with it.

 

[Mike man]

Wow, take a chill Lear. No need to have a heart attack over this.

that is just plain not nice, and clearly you are not a nice person.

 

[jdubya]

What's inflammatory is the fact that there are large numbers of these type crews at the regionals. We all know it and it's a miracle more accidents have not happened. Interesting how we never heard these type stories a couple of decades ago, it's directly related to sjs syndrome. No one is perfect, but as with many things, there is a certain level of competence required...simple truth.

 

[say again]

that is just plain not nice, and clearly you are not a nice person.

And your point is?

Oh that's right, you know exactly who I am. I got it now. :laugh:

:beer:

 

[Mike man]

And your point is?

Oh that's right, you know exactly who I am. I got it now. :laugh:

:beer:

my point is that, you are not a nice person.

i don't care who you are, I can tell (and others can too) that you are a person not worth knowing, or wanting to know.

 

[Lear70]

This mod has always been a ******************************. Nothing has changed. My opinion. Let's see what he does with it.

Nothing. You're entitled to your opinion, and opinions vary.

You can't hurt my feelings on here, my skin is a LOT thicker than that. I have a lot of friends and I have a few enemies. That's life. I don't tiptoe around anyone, least of all some anonymous person hiding behind a screen name.

Wow, take a chill Lear. No need to have a heart attack over this.

I'm not upset, quite the contrary... I just have zero tolerance for B.S.

If someone doesn't like how I moderate or that I still express my personal opinions from a non-moderator point of view, email the Webmaster (website owner). If he wants to yank my mod status over it, that's fine, too. I spend more time on here policing other people's stupidity than I really need to anyway, because some people can't seem to follow the few, simple rules that this board requires.

I'm on here for information and entertainment value. I'd rather continue to enjoy this board for those purposes than be a mod if it requires anything different than I've done for years. No biggie, just my priorities.

Again, as WhineLover says, YMMV. :beer:

 

[hou757]

What's inflammatory is the fact that there are large numbers of these type crews at the regionals. We all know it and it's a miracle more accidents have not happened. Interesting how we never heard these type stories a couple of decades ago, it's directly related to sjs syndrome. No one is perfect, but as with many things, there is a certain level of competence required...simple truth.

There are "these" type crews at the majors as well... Not just the regionals. Let's look at the crew that overflew MSP a few months back. The crew in Atlanta that landed a 767 on a taxiway as well as a crew in EWR that also landed on a taxiway.

Point is that mistakes are possible in ANY cockpit and let's just thank God that no lives were lost in these listed...

 

[say again]

I'm not upset, quite the contrary... I just have zero tolerance for B.S.

If someone doesn't like how I moderate or that I still express my personal opinions from a non-moderator point of view, email the Webmaster (website owner). If he wants to yank my mod status over it, that's fine, too. I spend more time on here policing other people's stupidity than I really need to anyway, because some people can't seem to follow the few, simple rules that this board requires.

I'm on here for information and entertainment value. I'd rather continue to enjoy this board for those purposes than be a mod if it requires anything different than I've done for years. No biggie, just my priorities.

Again, as WhineLover says, YMMV. :beer:

Gotcha, I didn't mean what I said in a negative way.