the unfathomable:regional crew attempted takeoff with one engine turning

[kf4amu]

What is the retraining for a crew that does this?

"So how many engines should you have running when you take off?"

"2"

"Ok...sounds good. We're done"

 

[realmanofgenius]

I am RALMAO at the name calling....as to the facts. there were six witnesses in the back. they included myself , and another 121 legacy pilot.
the one sane point raised was the correct one about these guys or others who just plain f up and people die. it ain't cool.

I would never have published any specifics to this case, but when it comes into the public domain, watch out... to the tool who thought I was flying to asia out of GSO direct...no comment..

This will come out ....in due time.... amazing the messenger gets shot at ..
some people can't fly airliners and have no business wearing epaulets..

some of you can't handle the truth...

retraining can't clearup this kind of cockpit breakdown by a captain...we're not talking about forgetting to turn on the lights.....he forgot to turn on engine #1....this is beyond bizarre...

 

[Lear70]

Take a vacation Lear.

Monday. My first one in 3 years since all this crap with AirTran started...

 

[nerjdriver]

I am RALMAO at the name calling....as to the facts. there were six witnesses in the back. they included myself , and another 121 legacy pilot.
the one sane point raised was the correct one about these guys or others who just plain f up and people die. it ain't cool.

I would never have published any specifics to this case, but when it comes into the public domain, watch out... to the tool who thought I was flying to asia out of GSO direct...no comment..

This will come out ....in due time.... amazing the messenger gets shot at ..
some people can't fly airliners and have no business wearing epaulets..

some of you can't handle the truth...

retraining can't clearup this kind of cockpit breakdown by a captain...we're not talking about forgetting to turn on the lights.....he forgot to turn on engine #1....this is beyond bizarre...

Go away.

And why do you keep calling yourself a "legacy pilot"? Your a pilot, nothing more. Being a legacy pilot isn't as impressive as it used to be pal.

I say just watch your back.

 

[hou757]

I am RALMAO at the name calling....as to the facts. there were six witnesses in the back. they included myself , and another 121 legacy pilot.
the one sane point raised was the correct one about these guys or others who just plain f up and people die. it ain't cool.

I would never have published any specifics to this case, but when it comes into the public domain, watch out... to the tool who thought I was flying to asia out of GSO direct...no comment..

This will come out ....in due time.... amazing the messenger gets shot at ..
some people can't fly airliners and have no business wearing epaulets..

some of you can't handle the truth...

retraining can't clearup this kind of cockpit breakdown by a captain...we're not talking about forgetting to turn on the lights.....he forgot to turn on engine #1....this is beyond bizarre...

YOU just don't get it do you? Wait for all the facts and deal with it PROFESSIONALLY. Calling the media just hurts your own profession not just that of possibly these two folks.

 

[say again]

The hostility towards is because of the way you handled the situation.

 

[say again]

Go away.

And why do you keep calling yourself a "legacy pilot"? Your a pilot, nothing more. Being a legacy pilot isn't as impressive as it used to be pal.

I say just watch your back.

Apparently legacy pilots don't make mistakes in his eyes, though I can name a few examples where the outcome wasn't so pretty.

 

[realmanofgenius]

actually, this is an event you can't look away from. This breach was a safety violation and a matter of air safety. quit trying to let these guys off the hook. marvin renslow sleeps, but his family will always suffer from the public record of his flying career and training. there is an event from which careers are never the same. this is one of them...too bad..
my associate , who i have referred to many times as the other aviator, and I agreed on all points.

what's wrong with hashing out this total F bomb cockpit nightmare on FI? I have not named any names for good reason. obviously he willl fill out an ASAP report. Had I and my associate not been there, he would have been home free...the moral is you don't who is in the back. so tighten up and do it right...maybe that is the good for all of..gut check ,put the i phone down, quit texting suzy rottencrotch, and get your head in the game....

BTW, turn on engine #1 you stupid SOB

 

[Da Vinci]

good luck ever getting a free seat in the back.

what can i say....your name will be exposed soon enough...in fact i'd be surprised if it wasn't circulating on their website right now. AND...how many ride options do you get out of GSO....hmmm.

sounds like karma will take care of you. I don't even feel inclined to call you any names. Just happy trails.

 

[nerjdriver]

actually, this is an event you can't look away from. This breach was a safety violation and a matter of air safety. quit trying to let these guys off the hook. marvin renslow sleeps, but his family will always suffer from the public record of his flying career and training. there is an event from which careers are never the same. this is one of them...too bad..
my associate , who i have referred to many times as the other aviator, and I agreed on all points.

what's wrong with hashing out this total F bomb cockpit nightmare on FI? I have not named any names for good reason. obviously he willl fill out an ASAP report. Had I and my associate not been there, he would have been home free...the moral is you don't who is in the back. so tighten up and do it right...maybe that is the good for all of..gut check ,put the i phone down, quit texting suzy rottencrotch, and get your head in the game....

BTW, turn on engine #1 you stupid SOB

Again, you stupid SOB you do not getting it.

 

[buscap]

If this is flamebait, fine; call me a sucker.

If not, then the poster's reporting of it is not nearly the evil act it is being made out to be. While not a courageous gesture by any means, the reporting of such an event is very much in keeping within the system of checks and balances which any hazard prone endeavor such as aviation must employ.

If true, obviously the issue needs to be addressed. The crew should be brought in for interview, evaluation and appropriate training. Company procedures should be studied. The aircraft systems should be evaluated.

It's about saving lives, people.

Unfortunately, it's also about possibly ruining careers and further painting badly the reputation of us all.

But I submit to you all that perhaps your postings might read different if the story were about an errant scalpel welding surgeon or perhaps a bus driver who plowed into a van full of nuns while texting his girl.

All pilots are prone to errors. The only things which make us different are who, what, where and how.

I've been on enough jumpseats, major and regional, to know that we are all the same. Whether it's a major or regional is merely determined by timing, who you know, and determination. Some of the best pilots I've met can't make their trailer payments.

The majors have done a very good job of proving they are just as capable of hiring careless-error prone idiots. It's called "hiring human beings".

To argue otherwise is a waste of time. To blindly defend or attack the actions of this crew based solely on their level of employment is equally wasteful.

Hopefully the crew will ASAP this and something will be learned at the individual, company and industry levels.

 

[Lear70]

retraining can't clearup this kind of cockpit breakdown by a captain...we're not talking about forgetting to turn on the lights.....he forgot to turn on engine #1....this is beyond bizarre...

I disagree with you there.

Retraining either WILL solve the problem, or it will bring to light his/her deficiencies, which either get rectified or he/she will be sent down the road. Either way, problem solved. Hopefully by method A, and the rest of the company's pilots learn when the de-identified ASAP info comes out.

Like I said, not interested in crucifying anyone, but appropriate discipline and retraining certainly seems appropriate for a screwup of such insanely obvious proportions.

 

[LazyLightnin']

I disagree with you there.

Retraining either WILL solve the problem, or it will bring to light his/her deficiencies, which either get rectified or he/she will be sent down the road. Either way, problem solved. Hopefully by method A, and the rest of the company's pilots learn when the de-identified ASAP info comes out.

Like I said, not interested in crucifying anyone, but appropriate discipline and retraining certainly seems appropriate for a screwup of such insanely obvious proportions.

I think this is one of those oh crap! screwups that once you do it, you will NEVER do it again.

Retraining would be a good option for discipline, but I doubt it's totally necessary.

 

[TurboAWD]

Anyone who thinks that this, by itself, defines "regional pilots", is an idiot.

The person who made this mistake may (or may not) be a poor pilot. However, there are plenty of poor pilots at major/lcc airlines too.

<EDIT>
"Poor" was a bad choice of words. Most regional pilots and many major pilots are now "poor", at least in a financial sense. I should of said "inept".

 

[ePilot22]

This will be a two engine taxi and a single engine takeoff.

Regional airline fuel conservation profile and SOP. Relax. They would have started the second one after landing on taxi in.





eP.