the unfathomable:regional crew attempted takeoff with one engine turning

[relief tube]

this morning out of GSO our erj 145 crew flying us en route to O Hare took a takeoff clearance on runway 23. took it on the roll and lined up, applied full power. within seconds the flight spoilers deployed. at the exit, i noticed along with another pax, and a another major airline pilot, that #1 was spooling up. we all heard it. we confronted the crew at the gate. they missed it and they confessed. I called the feds. the insanity stops. this is unfathomable..

the tower said they didn't mention it...go figure...but one thing is clear ..they took the runway, lined up, applied full power to two, and then aborted, the spoilers deployed...

this story may break in the next few days... #1 was not running......

You called the feds you ******************** - stick? Serious or are you flaming?

This'd happen every now and then if the major CA's actually did single engine taxis

Landing on a taxiway is a hell of a lot more idiotic than applying full power and aborting without even considering taking off.

 

[Crash Pad]

How is this disgusting? I don't agree with calling the feds right away as one pro to another, but come on. If it's true, then CRM in this industry needs to be re-examined.

 

[Dornier 335]

That most of the current regional CAs have thousands upon thousands of hours of turbine PIC? That this could have happened at a legacy, lcc, cargo, etc just as easily? What exactly are you trying to say?

Let's not forget that veteran RJ guys have twice (if not more) the number of sectors/legs flown per day and/or total than any legacy or cargo pilot.

This guy is a t00l, it shouldn't be difficult to find out who he is, anyone with access to the pax list out there?

The aviation world is very small. Be careful what bridge you burn. You just made the mistake of your lifetime. We will find you.

If it's true, then CRM in this industry needs to be re-examined.

... and let's not forget to analyze certain scheduling practices!

 

[Crash Pad]

AND, for those who blame the single engine taxi. Try pulling out the SINGLE ENGINE TAXI checklist. Watch out for each other sometimes.

 

[Crash Pad]

What does scheduling have to do with a possible TO sans number 1 running? If you are fatigued thats another issue, if it's the first flight of the day then sorry.

 

[tyuwerty]

A mistake was made. It was corrected before they t/o.

I see the OP didn't make a stink till after he got to where he was going. Pretty weak character on the part of the Original Poster. If it was a big enough problem in your eyes to call the Feds and the Media, it was big enough to stop the flight.

 

[paddlehigh]

you contacted the feds, you duece bag.

 

[timmay]

A mistake was made. It was corrected before they t/o.

I see the OP didn't make a stink till after he got to where he was going. Pretty weak character on the part of the Original Poster. If it was a big enough problem in your eyes to call the Feds and the Media, it was big enough to stop the flight.

The mistake was only corrected because engineers have ALMOST completely idiot proofed the cockpit. How long would it have taken them to figure out what was going on without the T/O config warning?
I don't understand how you all think these kinds of mistakes are acceptable. Obviously they didn't even glance at the EICAS before taking the runway.

Maybe some of us demand more of ourselves and our peers than others.

 

[tyuwerty]

The mistake was only corrected because engineers have ALMOST completely idiot proofed the cockpit. How long would it have taken them to figure out what was going on without the T/O config warning?
I don't understand how you all think these kinds of mistakes are acceptable. Obviously they didn't even glance at the EICAS before taking the runway.

Maybe some of us demand more of ourselves and our peers than others.

That is your opinion, it is a legitimate one at that, I disagree. Even without warnings and without looking at the gauges, I can't see anyone getting above a few knots into the T/O roll. Improperly selected flaps have killed a lot more people that taking off with half your power available. I would be surprised if it ever happened by accident on a 2 engine airplane.

However... If you are going to hold them to such a high standard. Why wait till you get to the destination to make a stink? If they were so unsafe in the eyes of the OP, that it warranted media attention, logically it would follow that they were too unsafe to fly the AC to the destination.

My beef isn't with calling the Feds, although I think that was over kill. I think that calling the Media and seeking a few minutes of fame at the expense of these guys is the real scuzzy part.

 

[DrewBlows]

Sounds like flame to me, but there is a lesson to be learned. Don't ever admit to making a mistake to a passenger or jump-seater. ASAP and/or ASRS are the way to go.

Pilots make mistakes, this will never change. The question is whether or not we learn from our mistakes.

 

[Lear70]

However... If you are going to hold them to such a high standard...

What high standard would that be? Oh, you mean actually being a PROFESSIONAL PILOT? Who the hell tries to take off with only one engine running???

As far as one of the posters talking about single-engine taxis, you must not jumpseat much on Major carriers. Quite a few of them do it, including Southwest and AirTran. Haven't heard of any of THOSE pilots trying to take off with one engine.

You get the wrong flaps setting? OK, fine, you get the takeoff config warning, reject the T/O, exit the runway, re-set and re-run the checklist slower and more methodically, no harm no foul. But the engine? Are you F***ing SERIOUS??!!

The mistake was only corrected because engineers have ALMOST completely idiot proofed the cockpit. How long would it have taken them to figure out what was going on without the T/O config warning?
I don't understand how you all think these kinds of mistakes are acceptable. Obviously they didn't even glance at the EICAS before taking the runway.

Agreed. Hellooooo.... "EICAS checked? - Clear". Ummm, what's with the extra 4 or 5 Warning and Caution messages? Oh yeah, an engine's not running..."

Yes, I've flown the RJ - an engine not running has enough Caution and Warning messages that this simple step makes it almost impossible to miss... Seriously, WTF??

Now after this rant, if I find out this was all a hoax, then fine, excuse my rant, but seriously, if it WASN'T?? I don't agree with calling the Feds (and certainly NOT calling the media), but if I was this guy's chief pilot, both pilots would be sitting through FULL Initial training again (with the cut in pay that it comes with), the Capt busted down to an F/O for a year, and the entire pilot pool notified that the next person to do it would be looking for a new job.

You give people the chance to fix their mistakes,,, NOT hang them out to dry with the FAA and the media.

 

[skywav8r]

What high standard would that be? Oh, you mean actually being a PROFESSIONAL PILOT? Who the hell tries to take off with only one engine running???

As far as one of the posters talking about single-engine taxis, you must not jumpseat much on Major carriers. Quite a few of them do it, including Southwest and AirTran. Haven't heard of any of THOSE pilots trying to take off with one engine.
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Guess you've never heard of a 727. Get a group of major airline pilots in a room that flew the 727 for a few years. Ask them how many times they tried to take off with only two engines running. You must live in a glass house.

 

[Kroll]

but if I was this guy's chief pilot, both pilots would be sitting through FULL Initial training again (with the cut in pay that it comes with), the Capt busted down to an F/O for a year, and the entire pilot pool notified that the next person to do it would be looking for a new job.

Thats why your not a chief pilot. We are all human and make mistakes. Most of us get away with the stupid things we do. In some cases we need a little grace and will learn from the mistake we've made. There are tons of distractions in our flight decks today. We must do our best to stay on task while making this job fun. If this is true they should get there hands slapped and a memo should be generated. We can all learn from this. (theres always a up-tight weinnie in the back that wants your tickets).

 

[MikeSF340]

On the ERJ there are almost NO EICAS messages when only one engine is running. Also, the T/O config check does not check for only one engine running. I'm not excusing this, but I can see how it can happen. I don't see how this is any worse than CONTINENTAL forgetting to use the rudder in a 50kt crosswind takeoff.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

RUFKM. I have over 4000 hrs in the 3 holer and never tried a 2 engine T/O and never heard of anyone else. Please tell me where you work and I will try to stay away. Unfortunately for me looking at your profile with M88, and 757-767 you might be at Delduh and I will have a hard time avoiding your airline.

Guess you've never heard of a 727. Get a group of major airline pilots in a room that flew the 727 for a few years. Ask them how many times they tried to take off with only two engines running. You must live in a glass house.

 

[densoo]

Sure glad the Feds have us stating "runway xx verified" every time we take off now. What's next, "both engines running, verified." Soon to come, "don't hit the mountain, verified."

 

[Lear70]

Guess you've never heard of a 727. Get a group of major airline pilots in a room that flew the 727 for a few years. Ask them how many times they tried to take off with only two engines running. You must live in a glass house.

No, never heard of the 727, funny that it's a type rating on my certificate (and in my profile listings of aircraft flown), wonder how *THAT* happened...?

No, I don't live in a glass house. I've made mistakes, certainly, in both seats, but I don't see how the HELL you miss starting an engine. It's a little scary that some of you are advocating this is just a minor issue... Maybe I hold myself, and this profession, to a higher standard. Our passengers put their lives in our hands, I expect nothing less than a pilot's absolute best. This wasn't it.

And maybe you're right that it's good I'm not a Chief Pilot (it's not a job I ever wanted), but the best Chief Pilots I ever had were the ones who busted my butt when I screwed up, made me bear the consequences of my actions, but in a reasonable way. Don't think making those pilots spend some time back in the school house (and the Captain having to sit in the right seat again for a while) is all that bad, considering the seriousness of what they did.

YMMV

 

[Mike man]

if it's the first flight of the day then sorry.

not true...you could be fatigued. Think...room party in hotel near your room.

I had that happen once is GSP, it was a weekend night and a high school party took place on the floor I was staying on...I was up almost all night, and thus fatigued, and made the appropriate phone call around 3AM when it was clear that my 430A wake up call was too soon to get any sleep, crew scheduling even heard the noise in the background when I walked into the hallway when they were upset about the f-word on an overnight.

 

[stlflyguy]

Worst of all, the original poster is talking about a Regional Crew....in the majors section. Blasphemy!

 

[nerjdriver]

this morning out of GSO our erj 145 crew flying us en route to O Hare took a takeoff clearance on runway 23. took it on the roll and lined up, applied full power. within seconds the flight spoilers deployed. at the exit, i noticed along with another pax, and a another major airline pilot, that #1 was spooling up. we all heard it. we confronted the crew at the gate. they missed it and they confessed. I called the feds. the insanity stops. this is unfathomable..

the tower said they didn't mention it...go figure...but one thing is clear ..they took the runway, lined up, applied full power to two, and then aborted, the spoilers deployed...


this story may break in the next few days... #1 was not running......

Hey lord high and mighty of the skies, are you telling us that you sh*& doesn't stink. Sounds like the crew made a mistake, and took the action to correct it.

I CANNOT WAIT for your blunder one day, we will all celebrate the day you are kicked to the curb with no opportunity to return.

Scab.