I'm Here Doing It...at Avantair

[Whine Lover]

"...I am married."

Many people would prefer the extra day in that case.





YKMKR

 

[cherry20's]

"...I am married."

Many people would prefer the extra day in that case.





YKMKR

HAHAHA Good one!

 

[doh]

IHDI, That pretty much sums up my feelings about Flexjet. I'm still very happy with my situation. C425, how come I don't run into you in the FBOs? I keep asking about you and a lot of guys know you. Glad they're still treating you well over there! Fly safe!

 

[Dassault]

Just curious, not trying to start trouble. How do you log time as an SIC in an airplane that is certified single pilot?

 

[Lear70]

Just curious, not trying to start trouble. How do you log time as an SIC in an airplane that is certified single pilot?

Part 135 carrying passengers.

A 135 aircraft in passenger operations has to have an approved autopilot. In lieu of an approved autopilot, a certificate holder may be authorized to fly with an SIC (waiver for SIC in lieu of approved autopilot - pretty common waiver).

The SIC is, therefore, authorized to log SIC time in an aircraft that, per its certification, does not require an SIC, simply because the FAA, in that particular operation, DOES require one, making them a required crewmember.

That's how many people log SIC in a Twin Piston, or Turboprop (Aztec, King Air, etc) as well. The aircraft themselves don't need an SIC, but one was required when flying passengers for hire in Part 135 ops.

I'm not certain if Part 91k has the same requirements...

 

[Paradoxus]

If I'm not mistaken, if the op specs call for an SIC, then an actual, acting SIC there will be, with all the logging privilages and rights afforded thereto. Aircraft certification requirements: N/A.

 

[lowspeed]

Are you referring to the extra 650.00 bucks overtime for going home the next morning after most likely sleeping in a Hilton bed, collecting points and pocketing the miles on the way home? It's all in how you perceive your situation. And I am married.

Dont embelish its more than likely a Holiday Inn bed... but still a decent deal.

 

[DelphinDriver]

Dont embelish its more than likely a Holiday Inn bed... but still a decent deal.

Agreed, Last tour I did spend one night in a Holiday Inn in CMA and one in SFO and I hear we are using them more.

 

[C425Driver]

C425, how come I don't run into you in the FBOs? I keep asking about you and a lot of guys know you. Glad they're still treating you well over there! Fly safe!

Don't know - are you hanging out at the respectable FBO's? If so, they stopped letting me in the door a long time ago!

 

[Lear70]

If I'm not mistaken, if the op specs call for an SIC, then an actual, acting SIC there will be, with all the logging privilages and rights afforded thereto. Aircraft certification requirements: N/A.

That's the point I was making.

The only time you'll get an Ops Specs issued that requires an SIC in an aircraft that's not certified for it (from my recollection) is:

Turbojet 135 under 12,500 pounds (Citation).
No functioning autopilot or one not certified to do coupled approaches if you're trying to get approved for passenger-carrying Part 135 operations.

Otherwise, the FAA has no reason to issue an Ops Specs requiring an SIC if your aircraft doesn't need one to meet the requirements of Part 135.

I'm not familiar with trying to run a Part 121 operation in a small, non-turbojet aircraft, but I imagine their Autopilot/Ops Specs requirements would be the same. However, if the legislation passes, it'll be a moot point in terms of this discussion, as there will be no reason to take the job just to get the ATP since the ATP would be required to get the job, anyway.

 

[surveypilot]

A second in command is required for all IFR part 135 passenger carrying operations regardless of aircraft. However, an auotpilot may be used in place of the second in command under certain circumstances (see below). An Op Spec does not have d to be issued to authorize a second in command, it is the other way around. An OpSpec has to be issued to NOT have a second in command. At my company, we operate BE58's under this OpSpec. If our autopilot breaks, we can MEL it temporarily, but we either have to fly VFR or we have to put another qualified pilot in the right seat.





§ 135.101 Second in command required under IFR.

Except as provided in §135.105, no person may operate an aircraft carrying passengers under IFR unless there is a second in command in the aircraft.


§ 135.105 Exception to second in command requirement: Approval for use of autopilot system.

(a) Except as provided in §§135.99 and 135.111, unless two pilots are required by this chapter for operations under VFR, a person may operate an aircraft without a second in command, if it is equipped with an operative approved autopilot system and the use of that system is authorized by appropriate operations specifications. No certificate holder may use any person, nor may any person serve, as a pilot in command under this section of an aircraft operated in a commuter operation, as defined in part 119 of this chapter unless that person has at least 100 hours pilot in command flight time in the make and model of aircraft to be flown and has met all other applicable requirements of this part.
(b) The certificate holder may apply for an amendment of its operations specifications to authorize the use of an autopilot system in place of a second in command.
(c) The Administrator issues an amendment to the operations specifications authorizing the use of an autopilot system, in place of a second in command, if—
(1) The autopilot is capable of operating the aircraft controls to maintain flight and maneuver it about the three axes; and
(2) The certificate holder shows, to the satisfaction of the Administrator, that operations using the autopilot system can be conducted safely and in compliance with this part.
The amendment contains any conditions or limitations on the use of the autopilot system that the Administrator determines are needed in the interest of safety.

 

[hangarrat]

A second in command is required for all IFR part 135 passenger carrying operations regardless of aircraft. However, an auotpilot may be used in place of the second in command under certain circumstances (see below).

Thank you. There is no Op Spec that says a single pilot aircraft needs two pilots, it is the oposite, you need the op spec (A015) to allow a single pilot to fly an aircraft 135. That M Spec is not available for 91K

 

[FLYLOW22]

The retired DAL captain I flew with this week made 306K his last year on the line in 2001 flying the 767-400.

Now that was money.

25K a month.

And yes... you are just as worth it now as he was then to make that money.

 

[Lear70]

A second in command is required for all IFR part 135 passenger carrying operations regardless of aircraft. However, an auotpilot may be used in place of the second in command under certain circumstances (see below). An Op Spec does not have d to be issued to authorize a second in command, it is the other way around. An OpSpec has to be issued to NOT have a second in command.

That's what I meant, I just worded it poorly.

Thanks for the clarification with FAR references...

 

[C425Driver]

Also, if the operator has Ops Spec A057 Eligible On-Demand Operations in accordance with 135.4, two pilots are required regardless of aircraft certification.

 

[taxi1wire]

The retired DAL captain I flew with this week made 306K his last year on the line in 2001 flying the 767-400.

Now that was money.

25K a month.

And yes... you are just as worth it now as he was then to make that money.

If he made all that money what is he doing flying with you now?
For how much a month?

 

[Lear70]

Some people just want to fly... I can imagine at 60, kids grown and out of the house, etc, there's only so much vacationing or fishing you can do before you're ready to be back in the air.

 

[AftCG182]

Some people just want to fly... I can imagine at 60, kids grown and out of the house, etc, there's only so much vacationing or fishing you can do before you're ready to be back in the air.

Great point. At 42 (ouch) I'm in top physical condition, and if everything goes as planned I plan on flying (professionally, for Avantair if they'll let me linger for that long) well into my 60's before hanging up my wings. Riding a rocking chair into my grave just doesn't work for me.

 

[Lear70]

Well, I'll probably be doing the same thing, just not for Avantair. Got the "Thanks but no thanks" email today.

AirTran has really screwed me over, haven't been able to even get an interview for years...

Oh well, you guys and gals have fun over there!

 

[wacoflyr]

I'm sorry, Lear guy. That sucks. I hope you land something soon.

 

[doh]

Don't know - are you hanging out at the respectable FBO's? If so, they stopped letting me in the door a long time ago!

You mentioned me and respectable in the same sentence?:laugh:

 

[C425Driver]

You mentioned me and respectable in the same sentence?:laugh:

Can you ever forgive me?

 

[glasspilot]

Well, I'll probably be doing the same thing, just not for Avantair. Got the "Thanks but no thanks" email today.

AirTran has really screwed me over, haven't been able to even get an interview for years...

Oh well, you guys and gals have fun over there!

Resubmit and mention you banned BeenThereDoneIt for life from this forum. PM me and I'll get you the inside track.

 

[Geronimo4497]

Resubmit and mention you banned BeenThereDoneIt for life from this forum. PM me and I'll get you the inside track.

:laugh:

 

[BoilerUP]

Lear, what's the status of your grievance against AT? PM if you want...but it burns me those bastards can nuke a career with a bogus termination charge

 

[Lear70]

Lear, what's the status of your grievance against AT? PM if you want...but it burns me those bastards can nuke a career with a bogus termination charge

It's in the arbitrator's hands now... finally. Only took 2 1/2 years.

I'll PM you the details, we pretty much nuked their case. They just have no way to combat 5 orthopedic surgeons that all say the same thing AND surgical results with actual photos inside my shoulder that show the damage...

That said, I've already been told that they have told the MEC that they have NO intention of allowing me to return, no matter what the arbitrator says, and as I've said before, if there were somewhere better to go, I'd simply ask to have my record cleared and move on. I enjoyed my job and my coworkers were great, but who would want to go back to a situation like that?

I can tell you one thing though, I will NEVER, EVER do union work ever again, for anyone. Kalitta pilots have been trying to organize and have repeatedly approached me to help - I flat our said No. Just not worth it...

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

How can Tranny management go against what the arbitator says if he says you should get your job back? Can't you fight that if that is what he says?

 

[Lear70]

How can Tranny management go against what the arbitator says if he says you should get your job back? Can't you fight that if that is what he says?

You got me. There's ways they can significantly delay up to a year or more through legal tactics (the RLA sucks), but I don't see how they could get away with it permanently. That said, it came directly from a senior management official who has been known to "spout off" about things from time to time, but you never know what's posturing and what's really his intent.

I just want to put all this behind me and move on with life, one way or another.

 

[7777]

Yes, DelphinDriver is correct. I haven't had time to respond. I'm an FO at Avantair, I enjoy my job, I have a life outside of FI, and I couldn't imagine doing anything else than flying airplanes. There will come a day where I will be forced to give up flying. I might be furloughed, fired, or let go from Avantair. The same can happen if I ever left for another job, or my health could go south. I didn't like my previous employers, but I loved the job. I look back on those jobs and am glad those days are behind me, but I still have pride in what I've done. We as pilots really do have the coolest job. There have been days where I've regretted the decisions of this career choice. On those days, I have no one to blame but myself because it was MY choice. But those days only make up about 1%. We are all underpaid and overworked, but we also have the most fun.

To the union question - if things ever got as bad as FLOPS then yes, we would need a union. However, our management treats us well and our Pilot Advisory Committee does a fantastic job. Currently, there is no need to be paying dues to a union at this company.

What does it matter if I'm single or married. I still love this job. It was my choice to work 7 days on and be away from home. It works out great for some, for some not so great.

Now I will close with my thanks - Thanks Cherry20's for your support. See everyone, FO's love their job too. Good luck to you and it's always nice to hear another person who loves his job.
Thanks to my fellow coworkers - DelphinDriver, C425Driver, Glasspilot, Mainiac, Hazmat, Wacoflyer, and Hangarrat. I've always enjoyed each of your posts and for representing our company.
Thanks to the Mods for banning BTDI. This thread has served a good purpose and the FI world is better for it.

Is NetJetWife now working for Avantair?

 

[PC12Cowboy]

I met Adrian Montemayor at KLAS signature one morning and then ran into him later that day in Concord..He was a extremely Nice guy and generous Captain with his FO in front of me and seemed like a person I would like to fly with...three weeks later I ran into him again in Monterey Ca. Where we talked about his company and schedules and of course QOL. And since then Avantair has been a dream job that I had aspired too..now furloughed from flying the Metro, I'm sad to learn that I missed an opportunity to at least submit my resume to them.
I have worked other jobs and flying on a bad day is still waaay better than the best day doing Drywall, painting, or anything else to this point..if you don't like your flying job..LEAVE.. we need seats for people who want to FLY..
Rant over!