I'm Here Doing It...at Avantair

[Whine Lover]

"...I am married."

Many people would prefer the extra day in that case.





YKMKR

 

[cherry20's]

"...I am married."

Many people would prefer the extra day in that case.





YKMKR

HAHAHA Good one!

 

[doh]

IHDI, That pretty much sums up my feelings about Flexjet. I'm still very happy with my situation. C425, how come I don't run into you in the FBOs? I keep asking about you and a lot of guys know you. Glad they're still treating you well over there! Fly safe!

 

[Dassault]

Just curious, not trying to start trouble. How do you log time as an SIC in an airplane that is certified single pilot?

 

[Lear70]

Just curious, not trying to start trouble. How do you log time as an SIC in an airplane that is certified single pilot?

Part 135 carrying passengers.

A 135 aircraft in passenger operations has to have an approved autopilot. In lieu of an approved autopilot, a certificate holder may be authorized to fly with an SIC (waiver for SIC in lieu of approved autopilot - pretty common waiver).

The SIC is, therefore, authorized to log SIC time in an aircraft that, per its certification, does not require an SIC, simply because the FAA, in that particular operation, DOES require one, making them a required crewmember.

That's how many people log SIC in a Twin Piston, or Turboprop (Aztec, King Air, etc) as well. The aircraft themselves don't need an SIC, but one was required when flying passengers for hire in Part 135 ops.

I'm not certain if Part 91k has the same requirements...

 

[Paradoxus]

If I'm not mistaken, if the op specs call for an SIC, then an actual, acting SIC there will be, with all the logging privilages and rights afforded thereto. Aircraft certification requirements: N/A.

 

[lowspeed]

Are you referring to the extra 650.00 bucks overtime for going home the next morning after most likely sleeping in a Hilton bed, collecting points and pocketing the miles on the way home? It's all in how you perceive your situation. And I am married.

Dont embelish its more than likely a Holiday Inn bed... but still a decent deal.

 

[DelphinDriver]

Dont embelish its more than likely a Holiday Inn bed... but still a decent deal.

Agreed, Last tour I did spend one night in a Holiday Inn in CMA and one in SFO and I hear we are using them more.

 

[C425Driver]

C425, how come I don't run into you in the FBOs? I keep asking about you and a lot of guys know you. Glad they're still treating you well over there! Fly safe!

Don't know - are you hanging out at the respectable FBO's? If so, they stopped letting me in the door a long time ago!

 

[Lear70]

If I'm not mistaken, if the op specs call for an SIC, then an actual, acting SIC there will be, with all the logging privilages and rights afforded thereto. Aircraft certification requirements: N/A.

That's the point I was making.

The only time you'll get an Ops Specs issued that requires an SIC in an aircraft that's not certified for it (from my recollection) is:

Turbojet 135 under 12,500 pounds (Citation).
No functioning autopilot or one not certified to do coupled approaches if you're trying to get approved for passenger-carrying Part 135 operations.

Otherwise, the FAA has no reason to issue an Ops Specs requiring an SIC if your aircraft doesn't need one to meet the requirements of Part 135.

I'm not familiar with trying to run a Part 121 operation in a small, non-turbojet aircraft, but I imagine their Autopilot/Ops Specs requirements would be the same. However, if the legislation passes, it'll be a moot point in terms of this discussion, as there will be no reason to take the job just to get the ATP since the ATP would be required to get the job, anyway.

 

[surveypilot]

A second in command is required for all IFR part 135 passenger carrying operations regardless of aircraft. However, an auotpilot may be used in place of the second in command under certain circumstances (see below). An Op Spec does not have d to be issued to authorize a second in command, it is the other way around. An OpSpec has to be issued to NOT have a second in command. At my company, we operate BE58's under this OpSpec. If our autopilot breaks, we can MEL it temporarily, but we either have to fly VFR or we have to put another qualified pilot in the right seat.





§ 135.101 Second in command required under IFR.

Except as provided in §135.105, no person may operate an aircraft carrying passengers under IFR unless there is a second in command in the aircraft.


§ 135.105 Exception to second in command requirement: Approval for use of autopilot system.

(a) Except as provided in §§135.99 and 135.111, unless two pilots are required by this chapter for operations under VFR, a person may operate an aircraft without a second in command, if it is equipped with an operative approved autopilot system and the use of that system is authorized by appropriate operations specifications. No certificate holder may use any person, nor may any person serve, as a pilot in command under this section of an aircraft operated in a commuter operation, as defined in part 119 of this chapter unless that person has at least 100 hours pilot in command flight time in the make and model of aircraft to be flown and has met all other applicable requirements of this part.
(b) The certificate holder may apply for an amendment of its operations specifications to authorize the use of an autopilot system in place of a second in command.
(c) The Administrator issues an amendment to the operations specifications authorizing the use of an autopilot system, in place of a second in command, if—
(1) The autopilot is capable of operating the aircraft controls to maintain flight and maneuver it about the three axes; and
(2) The certificate holder shows, to the satisfaction of the Administrator, that operations using the autopilot system can be conducted safely and in compliance with this part.
The amendment contains any conditions or limitations on the use of the autopilot system that the Administrator determines are needed in the interest of safety.

 

[hangarrat]

A second in command is required for all IFR part 135 passenger carrying operations regardless of aircraft. However, an auotpilot may be used in place of the second in command under certain circumstances (see below).

Thank you. There is no Op Spec that says a single pilot aircraft needs two pilots, it is the oposite, you need the op spec (A015) to allow a single pilot to fly an aircraft 135. That M Spec is not available for 91K

 

[FLYLOW22]

The retired DAL captain I flew with this week made 306K his last year on the line in 2001 flying the 767-400.

Now that was money.

25K a month.

And yes... you are just as worth it now as he was then to make that money.

 

[Lear70]

A second in command is required for all IFR part 135 passenger carrying operations regardless of aircraft. However, an auotpilot may be used in place of the second in command under certain circumstances (see below). An Op Spec does not have d to be issued to authorize a second in command, it is the other way around. An OpSpec has to be issued to NOT have a second in command.

That's what I meant, I just worded it poorly.

Thanks for the clarification with FAR references...

 

[C425Driver]

Also, if the operator has Ops Spec A057 Eligible On-Demand Operations in accordance with 135.4, two pilots are required regardless of aircraft certification.

 

[taxi1wire]

The retired DAL captain I flew with this week made 306K his last year on the line in 2001 flying the 767-400.

Now that was money.

25K a month.

And yes... you are just as worth it now as he was then to make that money.

If he made all that money what is he doing flying with you now?
For how much a month?

 

[Lear70]

Some people just want to fly... I can imagine at 60, kids grown and out of the house, etc, there's only so much vacationing or fishing you can do before you're ready to be back in the air.

 

[AftCG182]

Some people just want to fly... I can imagine at 60, kids grown and out of the house, etc, there's only so much vacationing or fishing you can do before you're ready to be back in the air.

Great point. At 42 (ouch) I'm in top physical condition, and if everything goes as planned I plan on flying (professionally, for Avantair if they'll let me linger for that long) well into my 60's before hanging up my wings. Riding a rocking chair into my grave just doesn't work for me.

 

[Lear70]

Well, I'll probably be doing the same thing, just not for Avantair. Got the "Thanks but no thanks" email today.

AirTran has really screwed me over, haven't been able to even get an interview for years...

Oh well, you guys and gals have fun over there!

 

[wacoflyr]

I'm sorry, Lear guy. That sucks. I hope you land something soon.