Ever get Turned or Slowed for The "Love Machine"?

[crashpad]

You've been wronged.

You should call the government immediately and complain.

NO, no...it was all my fault!
About a year ago, had Elsey following us on the downwind and he asked to cut the corner in front of us to make "the short approach".
Stunned silence, followed by the tower decline. I could tell the FO was feeling pressured by the heffer crawling up our butt, so I told him to take it slow.
Ya' know, Vref all the way around with a ten mile pattern just to be sure we got it right.

 

[waveflyer]

You have a point to your candyass comment?

Safety counts....as much as you try to deny it....it's an issue!

Sorry brother, but I've flown for an alpa carrier- you know full well that there are legions of legacy pilots who've played the safety card to pad their checks or piss off the company that they actually believe it would be unsafe to use your abilities to get the job done. Many of you don't even recognize the difference between a real safety issue and your habit of slowing down for your own benefit-

I hate to break it to you- but our unions lose credibility when that's done- and it really does hurt us.

For all the complaints of this career being dumbed down to the LCD- the safety card mentality is where it starts...

Is that a good enough 'point' for you?

But you just keep doing what you're doing -

 

[booo]

One of my neighbors used to be a controller, and he told me the aircraft with the performance that is least like the other aircraft he is working will be the one to get turned or delayed. It's just that simple.

So, when you and your neighbor are comparing two objects, say an apple and an orange, which one is least like the other? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[rajflyboy]

This is ridiculous. At one time or another every airline has been turned or slowed for some other airline. It happens. I know that SWA airplanes have been turned or slowed to accomodate some other airline. If it's going to be a tie though, the nod will usually go to SWA because they get it done quicker whereas some of the RJs are required by their FOM to be fully configured at the marker and other guys just love telling contollers "unable", so controllers finally quit even asking and make their own decision. Everyone remembers when they got turned or slowed due to SWA or by some other airline but no one remembers when they were sometimes the winner and the other guy got slowed or turned and sometimes the other guy was even a SWA airplane.

Bull...sh@t

 

[Dude]

This thread is awesome! So............you'ver never been sequenced for any other airline but LUV?

I must admit, I like being part of a group that causes so much discussion and debate. SWA ruined the airline business; SWA is PFT; SWA has ugly airplanes (sacrilege); SWA's FA's talk, sing, and rap too much; SWA is the originator of the term "Blitz" to refer to its boarding process; Jake the Bachelor ruined my life and SWA hired him; oh, and I almost forgot, they sat in on Republic's arbitration - those bast*rds.

Carry on. At least you guys can go to Canada and Mexico. We're told by management that our aircraft will break apart as soon as you cross the border. With the only exception being in the vicinity of BUF, ELP, and SAN.

 

[rajflyboy]

This thread is awesome! So............you'ver never been sequenced for any other airline but LUV?

I must admit, I like being part of a group that causes so much discussion and debate. SWA ruined the airline business; SWA is PFT; SWA has ugly airplanes (sacrilege); SWA's FA's talk, sing, and rap too much; SWA is the originator of the term "Blitz" to refer to its boarding process; Jake the Bachelor ruined my life and SWA hired him; oh, and I almost forgot, they sat in on Republic's arbitration - those bast*rds.

Carry on. At least you guys can go to Canada and Mexico. We're told by management that our aircraft will break apart as soon as you cross the border. With the only exception being in the vicinity of BUF, ELP, and SAN.

Not bad except you forgot to mention that riding SWA is about like riding a Greyhound Bus

 

[mdf]

Not bad except you forgot to mention that riding SWA is about like riding a Greyhound Bus

Yeah.....that only runs between DAL and LBB 9 times daily......gawd.....fantasitc......I need variety.....

 

[bubbers44]

Rajflyboy, Aircal pilots and flight attendants took the controllers to golf tournaments, one day the pilots played golf and the flight attendants in their sexy outfits brought the beer cart over to make sure everybody was happy, the next day they switched so the pilots served the cold beers and the flight attendants golfed. Screw the donuts, we got direct anywhere.

 

[27 driver]

250 to the marker/ 250 to the hold short...... rock on

 

[AA717driver]

It's happened to me a couple of times going into STL. One time, after being slowed from .80 to .76 (to match the speed of the traffic) and turned off the arrival, I asked the KC controller "is that our traffic at 5 o'clock?" It was.

I figure it's because so many former TWA pilots are now flying like AA pilots going into STL and not keeping their speed up in the descent.

TC

 

[bubbers44]

The only time I have been turned and slowed for someone behind me is because they are below me. It is much easier for ATC to descend AC by altitude than relative position to each other. You can play the game if you are converging with another plane a long ways out and either get an early descent or increase your speed to have separation minimums. It is kind of fun if you are in a hurry to land and hit the watering hole.

 

[denny]

And the point of this whole thread is - why do any of you care? Really? Why do you care? FlightInfo guys have just gone into my bin of stupidity. The threads on the main page that generate all the traffic is just inane inanity. I come here and have a look about once a week and you all are busy sucking the cheese out of each other's penis. That's really about all the value this board has is to watch you all slobber after the other dudes cheese. This place is just sick.

 

[rajflyboy]

Rajflyboy, Aircal pilots and flight attendants took the controllers to golf tournaments, one day the pilots played golf and the flight attendants in their sexy outfits brought the beer cart over to make sure everybody was happy, the next day they switched so the pilots served the cold beers and the flight attendants golfed. Screw the donuts, we got direct anywhere.

Well

Aircal was pretty smart!!

 

[rajflyboy]

And the point of this whole thread is - why do any of you care? Really? Why do you care? FlightInfo guys have just gone into my bin of stupidity. The threads on the main page that generate all the traffic is just inane inanity. I come here and have a look about once a week and you all are busy sucking the cheese out of each other's penis. That's really about all the value this board has is to watch you all slobber after the other dudes cheese. This place is just sick.

This thread is important. ATC shouldn't be giving one airline an advantage over another. Period. End of story!

 

[waveflyer]

Sucking the cheese out of each other's penis....
Hahaha- ideally don't need that image--- seriously ;-)

a pretty good analogy for this group though-

We need some better issues- these threads do suck

 

[IAHERJ]

Who cares! If I were a SWA pilot I'd want to get to the overnight asap as well. When your overnight is around 12 hours and your company negotiates a 1-2-3 rule with the hotel bars, you need every minute you can get. Plus, you are probably hungry on leg 5. I say get out of the way and let these guys get to their layovers. If you share a hotel with them(like we do in our PDX short layover), you might get in on the "deal". Roll On SWA...

 

[waveflyer]

Thx- but i rarely do 12 hour layovers- usually 15-17.
Would love to see more 12 hr layovers though- means the pairings would be paying...

 

[rajflyboy]

Thx- but i rarely do 12 hour layovers- usually 15-17.
Would love to see more 12 hr layovers though- means the pairings would be paying...

You guys need some min rest overnites.

 

[Tripower455]

This thread is important. ATC shouldn't be giving one airline an advantage over another. Period. End of story!

Agreed......

Good thing they don't......

 

[waveflyer]

You guys need some min rest overnites.

We do AM's or PM's - very rare to reverse sleep schedules. I think it keeps us safer and much more productive.

 

[denny]

This thread is important. ATC shouldn't be giving one airline an advantage over another. Period. End of story!

They don't rajflyboy. Your perception may be that they do but the facts prove you wrong every second of the year. Period. End of story. Thanks for playing.

 

[AA717driver]

We do AM's or PM's - very rare to reverse sleep schedules. I think it keeps us safer and much more productive.

You need some mid-trip redeyes like AA. WAY safer than keeping your circadian rhythm going.



TC

 

[Whataburger]

We got held for a Republic plane today. ATC should be ashamed!!!

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Well I have a worse story than all of you, so there!

Flying the BE-1900 going into BGR late one night, 20 miles out approach informs us we will be following a heavy MD-11 (World Airways) that is at our 8 o'clock position and 20 miles. Yes folks, we were following the MD-11 that was BEHIND US BY 20 MILES. At 15 miles out they slowed us to 'slowest practical speed' as we were faster by 40 knots. At ten miles we were given about ten miuntes of delay vectors so the heavy could get in front of us. Then on final we were given the 'caution wake turbulence" warning. Yeah, thanks buddy, we could have been in the hotel by the time that guy landed if you had just let us go in.

Did you have the entire flick in your B1900? Is it possible said MD-11 was in some sort of distress. Hydraulic issues or any other issues. As a controller I see this time and time again, a plane comes in with a problem and period point blank that airplane will not be going around under any circumstances. The majority of the time these little emergencies don't require crash and rescue equipment, its just basically this airplane is sick and needs to land asap so we accommodate that request and we usually don't broadcast to the world there is an issue.

Working at ORD we don't get SWA but I can assure you that controllers know their players. I know what airlines I can bang out in a tight gap and I know the ones I can't. They don't send us pizza's or any other favors. The favors they give me is having one less airplane on the airport. Some pilots will roll from the taxi way, others have to slowly and I mean slowly line up the plane, have the takeoff clnc and sit there for 30secs in position before they roll. If you are going to do that, and its fine, but if your going to do that Im going to bang out the other guys in the tight gaps and you are going to wait. Im not putting you in the air along with the go around and pass the buck to departure.

 

[GuppyWN]

Nicely said.

Get 'er done!

Gup

 

[rajflyboy]

They don't rajflyboy. Your perception may be that they do but the facts prove you wrong every second of the year. Period. End of story. Thanks for playing.

Sorry but they DO. I have seen it hundreds of times myself.

 

[BoilerUP]

Sorry but they DO. I have seen it hundreds of times myself.

Not unlike the priority NJA gets over airline traffic landing and arriving at HPN...

 

[FlyinGuy]

Raj,
Get over it and get out of our way!!!

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

Sorry but they DO. I have seen it hundreds of times myself.

That's it. You have me convinced. From now on if I hear that someone is going to be slowed, held, or any other inconvenience from ATC I'm gonna tell my Captain to plead with the controller not to have my fellow professional aviator slowed.
I'll tell him about you. This rajflyboy who gets his panties in a bind every trip he flies because he gets slowed for SWA. Hate to see your blood pressure rise or ruin your day.
Now that you have me convinced will you please promise not to ever start such a stupid thread again? I've seen some dumb ones before, but this one is in the top 10.

 

[Tripower455]

Sorry but they DO. I have seen it hundreds of times myself.

We don't... I've been vectored to let others in front of me hundreds of times. I held for nearly 5 minutes in MKE the other day so a DL could get in front of me on departure.

Heck, I've gone around 5 times in the last few years because ATC thoughtfully put a Citation (once it was a Lear) in front of us (after vectoring us all over the place, wondering why we were catching up with him at our assigned speed). Every time was more than 5 miles separation at first, and I slowed to min approach as soon as I knew what we were following. If they don't get you with the 90kt approach starting 15 miles out, they get you by spending 5 minutes on the runway after landing.

If you fly these kinds of airplanes, then look in the mirror or thank your buddies because THAT'S the main reason they (usually) put WN (or pretty much any other airline) in front of you.