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ASApuppy said:
I Luv this topic. Too Bad it so long to to air out. I can cite 3 times we got slammed by ATC to help SWA out.

1) In ONT, rare east flow, was cleared for position and hold. Then out rolls SWA from the gate. They are cleared for takeoff from the intersection in front of us while we sit at the end of the runway. WTF?

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I am throwing out the BS flag. SWA gates in ONT are right by the west runway not the east. I doubt you sat on the runway while SWA taxied for 2 miles to get to the east runway.
 
SWA probably has a good repore with ATC because they fly enough legs a day to know what ATC needs and makes tight approaches work. Sometimes the legacy airlines don't cooperate quite as well. SWA came to watch our west coast operation and we sometimes got special handling because ATC knew we would do what was required to make things work.
 
Southwest has pissed a couple of controllers off and paid the price for it. Last year a Southwest flight was taxiing toward the gate in Orange County when I called for a push and was cleared to do so. The ground controller then told the Southwest flight they would have to wait until we were clear to get to the gate. Hearing the exchange and realizing we would be pushing back directly behind their gate and blocking them, I offered the controller the hold our position until they parked. He told me that was not necessary and to "start the push back now"...and we blocked the Southwest that was about 3 gates away from their parking spot.

Also, one of my friends heard them pushing back and blocking the taxiway after they had been told to hold position at the gate in an attempted to beat the pack out from the morning curfew. When the ground controller realized it, he told them they hadn't been cleared and asked what they were doing. The SW crew laughed into the radio and said there had been a misunderstanding with the ground crew. The ground controller told them to pull back forward into the gate. SW said they had already disconnected. Ground said he could still see the tug in front of the plane and to have the groundcrew reconnect and pull them forward as they wouldn't be cleared to taxi until all of the other traffic had taxied out.

I would love to have seen the expressions on the flight crew. Usually when they pull that crap, they get away with it.
 
get2flyin said:
Southwest has pissed a couple of controllers off and paid the price for it. Last year a Southwest flight was taxiing toward the gate in Orange County when I called for a push and was cleared to do so. The ground controller then told the Southwest flight they would have to wait until we were clear to get to the gate. Hearing the exchange and realizing we would be pushing back directly behind their gate and blocking them, I offered the controller the hold our position until they parked. He told me that was not necessary and to "start the push back now"...and we blocked the Southwest that was about 3 gates away from their parking spot.

Also, one of my friends heard them pushing back and blocking the taxiway after they had been told to hold position at the gate in an attempted to beat the pack out from the morning curfew. When the ground controller realized it, he told them they hadn't been cleared and asked what they were doing. The SW crew laughed into the radio and said there had been a misunderstanding with the ground crew. The ground controller told them to pull back forward into the gate. SW said they had already disconnected. Ground said he could still see the tug in front of the plane and to have the groundcrew reconnect and pull them forward as they wouldn't be cleared to taxi until all of the other traffic had taxied out.

I would love to have seen the expressions on the flight crew. Usually when they pull that crap, they get away with it.
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Man, that's so crazy!!
 
Whataburger said:
Man, that's so crazy!!
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Again..this isn't a knock on Southwest. Pushing when your told not to is BS but I've seen other airlines do it. The bottom line is, every controller knows SW is always wanting to go fast. With other airlines it's a crapshoot. I was flying with a Captain who got cleared for the visual with speed at his discretion on a 20 mile straight-in and the D-bag immediately slowed to approach speed. He wanted me to tell the controllers he couldn't speed up because he was already configured and there were about 5 aircraft behind us (at least one of which was our company) doing MONSTER S-turns. 9 out of 10 guys would have hauled ass to the marker but this guy was just a jerk. I bet that controller NEVER offered our company a visual with speed at our discretion again. I get pissed when we get screwed so they can fit a couple of SW's in, but I understand why.
 
bubbers44 said:
SWA probably has a good repore with ATC because they fly enough legs a day to know what ATC needs and makes tight approaches work. Sometimes the legacy airlines don't cooperate quite as well. SWA came to watch our west coast operation and we sometimes got special handling because ATC knew we would do what was required to make things work.
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No No No No No No No No No No No No No

SWA gets the "Special Treatment" because they meet with the controllers and bring them Donuts and Whiskey!

HE HE HE
 
kf4amu said:
More often on final I get slowed to 180 for an RJ to get in front...then 170, then 160, then S turns because they can't fly as fast on final as a Dash 8.

But then again that's probably because we have some pilots who refuse to fly fast to help ATC.
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RJ cant fly as fast as a Dash 8 on final?

Retard.
 
nerjdriver said:
RJ cant fly as fast as a Dash 8 on final?
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No, an RJ cannot fly as fast as a Dash 8 can on final...or any turboprop for that matter.

You can easily run a t-prop at 180-200kts to a 2 mile final and still cross the threshold at Vref, thanks to those two massive speedbrakes known as props. Push them up and you can feel the plane decelerate.

I don't know any swept-wing jet that can keep that speed to that close in, including any RJ.
 
slaquer5 said:
I am throwing out the BS flag. SWA gates in ONT are right by the west runway not the east. I doubt you sat on the runway while SWA taxied for 2 miles to get to the east runway.
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The east and the west runway?

ONT 26L&R? Which one of these is the west runway?

Who are you really?

The WN gates are on the East end of the North runway. The only thing that they are west of is the freeway.

B.S. Flag returned to sender.
 
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ableone said:
The east and the west runway?

ONT 26L&R? Which one of these is the west runway?

Who are you really?

The WN gates are on the East end of the North runway. The only thing that they are west of is the freeway.

B.S. Flag returned to sender.
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What are you talking about? SWA gates are by the 26 runways. SO fast get out for RW 26. Your buddy said the rare East RW 8 departure. Please read before for open your trap.

I am thinking your are not very able ableone :)
 
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Well I have a worse story than all of you, so there!

Flying the BE-1900 going into BGR late one night, 20 miles out approach informs us we will be following a heavy MD-11 (World Airways) that is at our 8 o'clock position and 20 miles. Yes folks, we were following the MD-11 that was BEHIND US BY 20 MILES. At 15 miles out they slowed us to 'slowest practical speed' as we were faster by 40 knots. At ten miles we were given about ten miuntes of delay vectors so the heavy could get in front of us. Then on final we were given the 'caution wake turbulence" warning. Yeah, thanks buddy, we could have been in the hotel by the time that guy landed if you had just let us go in.
 
slaquer5 said:
What are you talking about? SWA gates are by the 26 runways. SO fast get out for RW 26. Your buddy said the rare East RW 8 departure. Please read before for open your trap.

I am thinking your are not very able ableone :)
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PS both 26 runways are west runways . I am assuming your not a pilot.
 
Controller:" ***** 3142, turn right heading 180, you're being overtaken by a SWA flight"

Me" We're below 10,000 feet doing 250. How fast is he going?"

silence....

Controller" Ummm..****3142, Roger. Continue heading 090.

Classic.
 
Really? That was you?

Urban legend.

I've read that same story on this website many times.

Did you also tell ATC that the boards are for "your mistakes, not their's"

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Then people have ripped me off. It happened. I was there. I stand by my recollection. The only thing "fabricated" was the flight number. Can't remember that. I do know the city pairings, however. Just trying not to divulge all the goodies. Savin' it for the honeymoon. Peace out.
 
slaquer5 said:
What are you talking about? SWA gates are by the 26 runways. SO fast get out for RW 26. Your buddy said the rare East RW 8 departure. Please read before for open your trap.

I am thinking your are not very able ableone
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Please explain what "SO fast get out for RW26." means.

Slaquer5 not like type on keyboard?


slaquer5 said:
PS both 26 runways are west runways . I am assuming your not a pilot.
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So in your world when the controller says the winds are out of the west, 26 L and R in use, and he asks if you want the Left/Right runway or the north/south runway you say; "We'll take the west runway?"

Be careful on that RNP/SAAAR stuff, you might be in over your head. :-) old school.
 
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I think you need to go up and reread his post. He said he was taking off of the 8s my bitter little buddy. Have a nice day. :)
 
This is ridiculous. At one time or another every airline has been turned or slowed for some other airline. It happens. I know that SWA airplanes have been turned or slowed to accomodate some other airline. If it's going to be a tie though, the nod will usually go to SWA because they get it done quicker whereas some of the RJs are required by their FOM to be fully configured at the marker and other guys just love telling contollers "unable", so controllers finally quit even asking and make their own decision. Everyone remembers when they got turned or slowed due to SWA or by some other airline but no one remembers when they were sometimes the winner and the other guy got slowed or turned and sometimes the other guy was even a SWA airplane.
 
What is all the complainin' about? SWA gets paid by the trip (no incentive for slowing down). Everyone else gets paid by the hour ($$$ reason to slow down).

So lets handle this like professional aviators trying to maximize our schedule/money. What am I trying to say.....Everyone get out of our way and we will all be happy!!!:)
 
I don't know why this is an issue. Most airline pilots get paid for time. SWA pilots get paid for the trip. The faster they complete the trip the more they get paid. The slower most of us others complete our trip the more we get paid. I'm all for SWA getting there first. It means I get paid more. I'm all for getting more money. Thank you SWA!
 
We just started getting overfly pay after 4 minutes over and we're soon to go full time CI20. Most of us have been doing CI20 with a min cruise of .72/300 (old contract). That part's about to go away. Some of you think we're slow now...wait until we're 249 knots at 15k feet for 30+ miles going into MDW!
 
waveflyer said:
There it is! Was just waiting for the safety card to be played.
Do you run from your own shadow too?
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You have a point to your candyass comment?

Safety counts....as much as you try to deny it....it's an issue!
 
BILL LUMBERG said:
You have a point to your candyass comment?

Safety counts....as much as you try to deny it....it's an issue!
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Safety of what?

An intersection takeoff?
Position and hold?
Tailwind landings?

Please. If you're such a safety God I'd better never see another Delta jet do any of the above. You just singlehandedly grounded the entire airline.

Gup
 

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