Asa pbs ta

[777forever]

Max- hang in there brother............sure are prejudice against it and we haven't even seen an iota of literature on the thing. If it sux, it sux, but ya gotta at least read the thing.

Bottom line is that everyone from another airline seems to have an opinion on the thing, but its akin to not buying a Chevy because your neighbor bitches about how bad his Honda sux.........We've got to call an ace an ace and a spade a spade here. Be a leader and educate yourself for your own opinions here guys (with the actual agreement from our PBS comittee in hand, and not someone else's).......................

And the same people from other airlines that are telling us don't do it will be the ones to reap the benefits when they are awarded RFPs and ASA is given the big FU because of stalled PBS negotiations. If you're at ASA and don't think the new management is here to help and not fight I don't know where you've been.

 

[blesko]

If you're at ASA and don't think the new management is here to help and not fight I don't know where you've been.

Not quite right Mr. Business Professor. Management is out for management and the company bottom line, thats what allows the company to pay us. If the company's interests give an added value for us, the employees, then great. I however would concede that BH, under the strings pulled by JA and his group have made a significant attempt to balance BOTH, company and employee interests. With PBS, its business, the company wants what will improve the bottom line, perhaps that will allow us to establish our costs, bid on any upcoming RFP's more accurately and as a by product, perhaps, will benefit the pilot group with addtional flying.

 

[Texx]

Where's F'n Alpa with an email. Mushrooms in the dark. This will be my last straw with the current Reps.

TZ was too busy doing his own thing.

Yep, it's time.

 

[Texx]

I can't even imagine anything they could offer to make me vote in PBS. Just ask any CAL pilot about it. This is not going to make us competitive. This will only make a dent in our cost but make a crater in our QOL. I know I know, I have not even seen it yet. But like I said I can't even imagine.
It is also interesting that the union has been so quite but to say how far away they are from a TA, then the elections get close and now we have a TA. Did the current MEC start to think they would not win reelection and wanted control over what was in the TA? Is it because the more senior MEC would be the one's to benefit the most from it? Just some thoughts. VOTE NO!

Does CAL do the same type of flying that ASA does? Do they have the same PBS that ASA will?

 

[Texx]

ahhh,
if history is indicator of the past aos will be your "new" pbs vendor, you just don't realize it.
Pbr

ding ding ding wrong!!! Try again!

 

[Texx]

I said the same thing about our current contract.... wait...get informed....ask questions....Give it a chance. I listened, I asked questions. You see the turd we ended up with. It is SO full of loopholes.

And how did you vote on the contract?

 

[maxcackel]

Ok, Someone answer this simple question. Where does the money the company saves from pbs come from? Our pockets or theirs?

 

[JustaNumber]

Ok, Someone answer this simple question. Where does the money the company saves from pbs come from? Our pockets or theirs?

Part of it comes from the pockets of the pilots they don't have to hire to cover new flying, if we ever get any.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Ok, Someone answer this simple question. Where does the money the company saves from pbs come from? Our pockets or theirs?

It comes from lower expenses that will in turn help us secure more flying in a very competitive environment...It is a fairly painless way to save the company money....We can either compete, or we can continue to shrink....Your choice....

 

[maxcackel]

Come on you can say it JP, PAY CUT. The company has lower expenses from a lower payroll cost. Still won't compete with mesa or peenuckle.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Come on you can say it JP, PAY CUT. The company has lower expenses from a lower payroll cost. Still won't compete with mesa or peenuckle.

You think I am Pennekamp....Now that's funny...

We can either compete or we can ignore market realities....If you choose the latter....you better get the phone number for truck masters.

 

[maxcackel]

Sorry Joe, meant JM. I just don't understand why so many people are willing to give up money to save the company when it never works. They just come back for more and more. Have we not learned anything from our past or others. Do you really think the money saved will get us more flying or will it be "Sorry we tried but just missed it but keep up the great work, we just need to cut cost a little more. Details on that next week".

 

[maxcackel]

Part of it comes from the pockets of the pilots they don't have to hire to cover new flying, if we ever get any.

I'll give you that, they won't have to bring back the furloughs "IF" we get more flying. But will you admit that most of it comes in less paid out to current pilots?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

especially given PBR's theory on management and contracts (provided you buy into that theory)......

Ok,
The black helicopters are still outside my windows. I can say with absolute certainty that Ford and Harrison LLC was on retainer during the last 3 union drives and advised BH and JA directly. I would assume they are still on retainer, and BH can access them anytime. If you don't think your contract is under the microscope over at the F&H bunker, looking for any weak points, you are delusional. Can you name ANY, repeat ANY, pilot group, union or not that has had any QOL increase in the last 8 years? Now list every pilot group that has had their junk sliced off and handed to them in a paper bag. I am gonna bet the "junk in a bag group" is larger.
Good luck!
PBR

 

[maxcackel]

Ok,
The black helicopters are still outside my windows. I can say with absolute certainty that Ford and Harrison LLC was on retainer during the last 3 union drives and advised BH and JA directly. I would assume they are still on retainer, and BH can access them anytime. If you don't think your contract is under the microscope over at the F&H bunker, looking for any weak points, you are delusional. Can you name ANY, repeat ANY, pilot group, union or not that has had any QOL increase in the last 8 years? Now list every pilot group that has had their junk sliced off and handed to them in a paper bag. I am gonna bet the "junk in a bag group" is larger.
Good luck!
PBR

And this time it is up to us to vote to cut off our own junk and gift wrap it before we hand it over.