AS Furlough Mitigation

[Ih8AFYesmen]

The guy that hatesyesmen won't answer. Maybe you will.


There would have been 30 less names on that list.
30 Families.
30 Mortgages.
100 or so PEOPLE.
Couple a dozen Children that will get to put the "Christmas that Daddy didn't have a job." in their memory bank.
Grown men that have to move in with In-laws.

I've got to know. What, exactly, are your reasons for selling them all down the river when you could've prevented it? What did you get in the trade? What do you now have that is worth what they have all lost?

Re-read my earlier post. I believe I've stated my reasons. It's your right to feel the way you do and it's fine that you and a good majority of us don't see eye to eye on this issue. However, it's far reaching to claim that we as a pilot group sold you down the river. The lines for next month are already in the 75-83 hours range and yet the company decided to furlough 50+ FOs and downgrade 13 captains. Catch a clue! This MOU wasn't about furlough mitigation; again, re-read my earlier post. If you had a clue on how this management operates, you would think otherwise. Just understand that everytime our management moves their lips, they are lying. I understand that it's difficult to think and see straight when the world around you is imploding. It seems that whatever I or anyone say won't penetrate your noggin; you are full of piss and vinegar. I'm sorry that you have to live your life blaming others for your misery. That just is pitiful. It's a done deal and you have no control over it; you can either drive yourself insane or you can deal with it; your choice. Chill out and enjoy what you have left. Many of my buds have been furloughed, lost their homes and marriages as result, and none of them have cried like you pu$$ies!
I'll open a can of worms here now that you got me going. For a period of time, Alaska Airlines hired Horizon FOs with no PIC turbine time and other low time/low experience pilots. I remember having Skywest jumpseaters tell me that they were losing low time, newly upgraded captains to us. I fly with many captains whom express genuine concern that many of the new hires are weak sticks and that the captains feel like they are conducting OE on every leg. Why do you suppose that our management targeted this group of pilots when there are highly qualified surplus of pilots out there? Can you say "hostages"? If you claim ignorance on this issue, you've got some serious IQ problems.
As for "Couple a dozen Children that will get to put the Christmas that Daddy didn't have a job in their memory bank. Grown men that have to move in with In-laws." comment....... atleast these children have daddys. Think of the thousands of children who's daddys have made the ultimate sacrifice for this country.

 

[Tatoosh65]

That last post was a real piece of work..
Real classy bud..

 

[Mamma]

As for "Couple a dozen Children that will get to put the Christmas that Daddy didn't have a job in their memory bank. Grown men that have to move in with In-laws." comment....... atleast these children have daddys. Think of the thousands of children who's daddys have made the ultimate sacrifice for this country.

Dude,
This post is retarded. You are trying to compare children of fathers who lost their jobs to children who lost their dads in war? WTFO?

I hear over 200 pilots over 88 hours this month. Really nice with 60 guys on the street. They sure care about the guys on the street.

Oh, and to all you guys who say furloughs are a part of airline life. Next time a vote comes, how about all us bottom dwellers vote out your pension! Getting rid of pensions is a part of airline life...just ask United, Delta and US Air. Based on your arguments you should have no problem with this since it is a part of "airline life."

 

[Ocity]

OK, I'll flame.

So I'm supposed to enjoy a time where my family lost it's entire income, I have to scrape by just to make ends meet, and hoping the next call is the one that will bring me back. I see.

Well, in that case, I'll give you a call from the multiple carnivals in various cities around the world that I'm going to visit during my happy time off.

Give me a break.

The time will pass whether you want it too or not. You'll never see that time again. Do with it what you will.

 

[Boxboy]

Haven't posted on this forum in a while but oh man, where's the luuuuuuv? The MOU is history kids, get over it!

mamma,
Easy there, brotha. I know you are pissed but c'mon man. The pilot group didn't furlough, the company did. You are pissin' into the wind. So, you want to take that anger out on the your own brothas? Just because the MOU didn't go your way doesn't give you right to piss on the majority. I'm one of the 199ers but I respect the majority rule. Like it or not, the airline profession is ALL about SENIORITY. As greedy as some these senior dudes are, you nor I have the right to knock these guys (ok, most guys) because they too have paid their dues. No one forced you to leave the military or the reginonals to come to Alaska. We all knew it was a gamble, especially post 9/11, for a better job/quality of life. It's just the times and some of us jumped in at the wrong time. My squadron buds thought I was insane when I put my paperwork in to get out just after 9/11. I knew what I was getting into.

 

[mach none]

Dude,
This post is retarded. You are trying to compare children of fathers who lost their jobs to children who lost their dads in war? WTFO?

I hear over 200 pilots over 88 hours this month. Really nice with 60 guys on the street. They sure care about the guys on the street.

Oh, and to all you guys who say furloughs are a part of airline life. Next time a vote comes, how about all us bottom dwellers vote out your pension! Getting rid of pensions is a part of airline life...just ask United, Delta and US Air. Based on your arguments you should have no problem with this since it is a part of "airline life."

WWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I picture you holding your breath and stomping your feet.

Grow up. It is over. If you carry this torch to long you will destroy your health, marriage and your job.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

. . . and, with that death spiral, I suggest we close this thread.

 

[Mamma]

Seems you are missing my point. First, The MOU is not my problem. That was a piece of trash. My point is if we had been acting like union members this MOU would have never surfaced. If so many did not lean so far forward to help the company with VSA and 88+ hour months maybe not as many guys would have been chopped.

As for me I could care less what the company does to
me. I am out on mil leave and wife has a good job. I have flown maybe 30 hours for Alaska since Jan. Not everyone has this especially many that were in my new hire class so I care about them. So yes I get a little emotional when I see them about to lose big while their fellow pilots are doing their flying.

 

[Snapshot]

Wow.
Given a chance to save 30 guys from furlough, you vote them off of property because it's just too inconvenient and you want to send a message. Tell them to suck it up and that it's just a part of airline life (even though it has conveniently never been a part of YOUR life). Call them whiners and pussies when your actions get called what they are. Top it all off by telling them it doesn't matter because they are lousy, sub-par pilots.
You're a real piece of work.
BTW. When I think about the children of soldiers (talk about hyperbolic rhetoric!), I know that if I were given an opportunity to vote to help their families, I would vote to do it.

Catch a clue! This MOU wasn't about furlough mitigation

The furlough mitigation MOU that would have mitigated 30 furloughs wasn't about furlough mitigation? Sure thing.

Just understand that everytime our management moves their lips, they are lying.

Exactly why you get a legal document with very specific obligations, exit clauses, and expiration date. Sorta sounds like the MOU, doesn't it?

I'm sorry that you have to live your life blaming others for your misery. That just is pitiful.

Really? Holding people accountable for their actions is pitiful? That makes you all a batch of pitiful SOB's. Every day I hear you blaming the company for your miseries. I know, it's not pitiful when their YOUR miseries, right?

The MOU is history kids, get over it!

So is Kasher. You gonna forget what the company did to you and pretend it's all cool?

Many of my buds have been furloughed, lost their homes and marriages as result, and none of them have cried like you pu$$ies!

First. I'm not even talking about a furlough. I'm talking about a pilot group that had a chance to save 30 guys and didn't. Tell your buddies what you've done and see what they say. You'll stop hearing about it the second we stop hearing about Kasher from you guys. Of course, it's not 'whining like a pu$$y' when it's you've been wronged, is it?

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

Some people never get it. Bye bye!