AS Furlough Mitigation

[Going2Baja]

NOT TRUE - Read below:

F. If the Company issues a notice of intent to furlough while this MOU is in effect the
provisions of Section 23 (Furlough & Recall) will apply in total. Additionally, this MOU will terminate thirty (30) days after the notice of intent to furlough issues unless the parties mutually agree to extend or modify the program prior to expiration of the thirty (30) day notice period.

This MOU WILL SAVE 30 families! If the Co decides to furlough later the terms of the MOU will go away and we're back to where we are today!!!

This is about GREEDY pilots wanting to keep their VSA and premium pay. The worse loss is the loss of 2nd step. and in the year of bidding I don't remember getting any 2nd step trades. This MOU is about scaling back hours and allowing 30 families to be saved. PLEASE think for the group and not for yourself.

Baja.

 

[Old School 737]

Latest MEC message sure implies a No Vote.

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

Baja,
Having worked for this company since the "happy days", I'm pretty certain that it's just more than the "greedy VSAer's" who are against this thing. The devil is in the details. It's difficult to think when one's desperate but we need to try real hard to see the big picture. Since the TA, I for once agree with the union on this one. It's a NO for me for the second time. If the company honestly want to mitigate further furloughs, they'll meet us at the table and we will "negotiate" the terms with better language. It's a hostage situation; that's all it is, IMO.

 

[Mamma]

NOT TRUE - Read below:

F. If the Company issues a notice of intent to furlough while this MOU is in effect the
provisions of Section 23 (Furlough & Recall) will apply in total. Additionally, this MOU will terminate thirty (30) days after the notice of intent to furlough issues unless the parties mutually agree to extend or modify the program prior to expiration of the thirty (30) day notice period.

This MOU WILL SAVE 30 families! If the Co decides to furlough later the terms of the MOU will go away and we're back to where we are today!!!

This is about GREEDY pilots wanting to keep their VSA and premium pay. The worse loss is the loss of 2nd step. and in the year of bidding I don't remember getting any 2nd step trades. This MOU is about scaling back hours and allowing 30 families to be saved. PLEASE think for the group and not for yourself.

Baja.

I don't think it is necessarily greed. The company is basically using 30 families as hostages to get what they could not get through contract negotiations and many folks have had enough. Even if their motives were honest, although I doubt it, their past actions have created such an atmosphere of resent and distrust, nobody believes a word they say.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

What kills me is the same people who are saying, "NO! We should not have this thing crammed down our throats!" are mostly the same people who voted in a contract that had WEAKER furlough language.

We had a chance to get stronger furlough language. . . remember that whole contract talks dealy? Now about nine months late, you have a chance to stop VSA and all of you NO voters are against it again?

And if the MOU doesn't prevent furloughs, it dies! You get back 150% and second step.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Latest MEC message sure implies a No Vote.

Whoever wrote that didn't sound unbiased, did they.

LEC 67 wants a NO recommendation from the MEC. Okay, but what do the other LECs have to say?

 

[Green Banana]

I think that it is clear what the others thought. They walked out of the meeting to prevent a vote from taking place.

 

[Old School 737]

Early Out program terminated. Only 12 takers so Company said no.

 

[Tarquinn]

wonderful...

 

[Singlecoil]

I voted yes for the MOU for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, it will prevent the furlough of thirty pilots this fall. Couple that with the restrictions on padding your line above 83 or so and I believe that will prevent the need for further furloughs. The second step thing is a bummer, but I have never used it in 6.5 years with the company. There are some good points being made on both sides, such as the senior folks are being asked to ante up most of the savings for the most junior. That is the primary reason why the thing will never pass.
On a related note, resolution 09-34 was passed by the MEC unanimously. Under Resolution 09-34, the 30 most junior pilots at the company will have their organs harvested and sold on the open market no later than 9/1/2009. The proceeds of the organ sales will be distributed to the pilot group on a weighted average basis respecting seat position, years of service and W2 earnings. After an eleventh hour blitz by the over 60 crowd, the concession was made that the adrenal glands of the soon to be former pilots would be the sole possession of pilots over the age of 60. The adrenochrome can then be harvested and processed according to standard practices and then either ingested or sold on the market solely at the discretion of those pilots over the age of 60.
The 30 flight bags, flashlights, I-pods, backpacks, and rollerboard wheel lights will be available on a first come, first served basis on 9/2/2009 at the MEC office.

 

[kingair1]

To save the 30 guys I voted yes.

 

[QCappy]

After further review, and seeing the company not move on potentially saving 12 jobs through the EO program, I have decided to change my vote to "NO". I will hit the street on October 1st knowing I wasn't used as a pawn by this heartless management. I would rather be furloughed now than played the fool later.

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

12 EOs and no deal! I know 25 was the min they were looking for, but coooooooooomone! Do ya'll still think that this company is serious about furlough mitigation? There are Easter eggs filled with turd in this deal. I can smell it. Yes, we do have alot of selfish, VSAing, spinelss, backstabbing old and young pu$$ies at AS; but this MOU does not come down to that. It comes down to the company trying to pull a fast one. Open your eyes and see the BIG picture!

 

[Going2Baja]

It is the companies job to try and get us to do more work for less $$ and worse work rules. It's our job to try to get more $$ for doing nothing and sitting at home. This MOU is about the lives of 30 families. The LEC/MEC had virtually NOTHING to do with making this MOU. The Co threw it out at the last minute and said take it or leave it. SEA LEC didn't even want their pilots to read this trash but LAX & ANC though it should be up to the pilots to see for themselves and vote on it. What will stop the Co from trying to get more if they furlough another group - nothing. But if they try to furlough more this MOU will be terminated and the MEC will go back to the drawing board. Did any of you take the time to do the phone in? I did and I voiced my opinion. There were comments all over the place. But the bottom line is this is the ONLY chance to CURRENTLY SAVE 30 FAMILIES!

Baja.

 

[Mamma]

It is the companies job to try and get us to do more work for less $$ and worse work rules. It's our job to try to get more $$ for doing nothing and sitting at home. This MOU is about the lives of 30 families. The LEC/MEC had virtually NOTHING to do with making this MOU. The Co threw it out at the last minute and said take it or leave it. SEA LEC didn't even want their pilots to read this trash but LAX & ANC though it should be up to the pilots to see for themselves and vote on it. What will stop the Co from trying to get more if they furlough another group - nothing. But if they try to furlough more this MOU will be terminated and the MEC will go back to the drawing board. Did any of you take the time to do the phone in? I did and I voiced my opinion. There were comments all over the place. But the bottom line is this is the ONLY chance to CURRENTLY SAVE 30 FAMILIES!

Baja.

I am curious. We are not in negotiation for a contract. What would the company do if everyone bid down to 75-80 hours? Why has the MEC not endorsed this?

 

[Going2Baja]

I am curious. We are not in negotiation for a contract. What would the company do if everyone bid down to 75-80 hours? Why has the MEC not endorsed this?

The MEC did try to just reduce the bid block hours. The Co refused and attached all the losses in pay & 2nd step. The MEC DID NOT negotiate this MOU - it was handed to us by the Co and now it's up to the pilots to decide if we are willing to accept these changes to save 30 faimlies.

Baja.

 

[CGHercster]

Vote no. I trust the company just a little less than the MEC right now. If the company really wants furlough mitigation, let's talk about it, not get a half-ass'd program handed to us.

 

[Green Banana]

The sad thing is that there is nothing to prevent the pilots from doing everything this LOA says. We can save our own jobs. All this LOA will do is limit pilots to 80 hrs of credit. We can do that ourselves. Something tells me we will not do that......

 

[Mamma]

The sad thing is that there is nothing to prevent the pilots from doing everything this LOA says. We can save our own jobs. All this LOA will do is limit pilots to 80 hrs of credit. We can do that ourselves. Something tells me we will not do that......

Well, according to many pilots senior to me, being furloughed is a normal part of being an airline pilot. I and my family should sacrifice one for the team. Why should feeding my family get in the way of a senior pilot doing VSA for premium time. Us bottom dwellers should suck it up.

 

[Green Banana]

Well, according to many pilots senior to me, being furloughed is a normal part of being an airline pilot.

Yes, and to that I say, Looseing your pention is a normal part of being an airline pilot, yet I was ready to strike to protect that for you.