Net Jets to Furlough 500...??? Right...

[pilotyip]

some would some wouldn't

The I got mine ... that would be the non-union shop. Where would your buddies (former studs) be right now if they stayed at USAJet? Would they still be employed?

Lets hope you are right that everyone shares in the pain. It would be an encouraging sign in this era of self first. BTW Many of the USA Jet guys who left were senior enought they would still have jobs today.

 

[netjetwife]

Obviously, the "I got mine attitude" isn't popular with NJASAP pilots. Had it been, IBB would have failed and the junior pilots would still be stuck in one of the (previous) five Domiciles at lower wages.

On the subject of offering solutions, it has been very interesting to watch the process unfold from discussions-at-the-kitchen-table stage to a package of options that will be offered to employees throughout the Company. Obviously, RTS is pleased with the NJASAP leadership's contribution to the Joint Preventive Measures. I think the pilotgroup will respond with a participation level which reflects the cooperative spirit of the labor-management partnership.

 

[gunfyter]

Lets hope you are right that everyone shares in the pain. It would be an encouraging sign in this era of self first. BTW Many of the USA Jet guys who left were senior enought they would still have jobs today.

Why wouldn't all of them still be employed? Wouldn't everyone share the pain at the non-union shop? Or are you guys the "I got mine type"?

Jobs will be saved here because of the generosity of the company and the union members and non-bargaining support employees cooperating....

And ... thus far no furloughs have been asked for ....

Obviously if staffing levels are higher than current demand ... the company could furlough if they wanted to... to save money. These measures are PRO-ACTIVE to keep them from WANTING TO.

 

[glasspilot]

Anyone ever sail through the Panama Canal? I did a lifetime ago.

There are about 6 or 8 locks on each side of a massive lake. If each lock were full and they wanted to get each one down to half they would have to let water out of the lowest one, then bring water from the next one into the lowest one, and then bring water from the next one and so on.

A much faster way would be to bring most of the needed water out of each lock at the same time and then fine tune it with smaller amounts using the trickle down method.

Pretty abstract idea here, I know, but it seems like that is what NetJets is trying to do. Get the numbers down across the fleets and then fine tune if needed with smaller numbers.

 

[rondo]

Anyone ever sail through the Panama Canal? I did a lifetime ago.

There are about 6 or 8 locks on each side of a massive lake. If each lock were full and they wanted to get each one down to half they would have to let water out of the lowest one, then bring water from the next one into the lowest one, and then bring water from the next one and so on.

A much faster way would be to bring most of the needed water out of each lock at the same time and then fine tune it with smaller amounts using the trickle down method.

Pretty abstract idea here, I know, but it seems like that is what NetJets is trying to do. Get the numbers down across the fleets and then fine tune if needed with smaller numbers.

Whoa dude. Did you ever notice that clouds are shaped like animals and sometimes they change from a goat to a turtle.

Make sure you prepare for you next drug test.

 

[netjetwife]

.... These measures are PRO-ACTIVE to keep them from WANTING TO.

Correction: to keep them from NEEDING TO. Had NJA actually wanted to furlough pilots they could have done so already like other frac companies have recently done. Your mention of generosity and cooperation, Gunfyter, are spot on.

We're seeing a high return on the investment of time and effort put into the Labor-Management partnership. Success in this joint venture will pay huge dividends in the future. The resultant increases in loyalty, trust, etc would be the silver lining in this economic cloud.

Glass, I like analogies and I think your's is a fitting one for the situation. It does, indeed, appear to be the methodology they're using. To continue your water theme...

The smooth sailing previously enjoyed by the NJ families has been disrupted by economic storms. We've hit rough waters and the USS NetJets has sprung a leak. Now is the time for all hands to grab a bucket and start bailing together. Teamwork is the answer.

 

[RNObased]

Correction: to keep them from NEEDING TO. Had NJA actually wanted to furlough pilots they could have done so......

Hmmm... That is one way to look at it.

 

[jonjuan]

It's official...

nja will NOT furlough. If they had to, they would be not be pi$$ing away millions advertising at the derby.

On a side note, what's up with all the rappers at the race and why wasn't there a fly-over?

 

[Pervis]

nja will NOT furlough. If they had to, they would be not be pi$$ing away millions advertising at the derby.

On a side note, what's up with all the rappers at the race and why wasn't there a fly-over?

You misunderstand JJ. I'll bet the advertising cost very little. Last year, RTS established a pension fund for all jockies injured on the job. They had no protections at all before that. He is also very much part of the "in" crowd along side the other owners.

Lots of those rappers fly with us, and a flyover would look bad when we offer carbon offsets at the same time. And our last flyover (IBT 1108) had something to do with a POSTA we shot down in 2004. Things have improved a bit since then. Ya gotta hand it to the boss. He's one slick guy.

 

[netjetwife]

JJ, I think it would be a mistake for junior NJ pilots to plan their future based on your observation. :erm: We've all heard that it takes money to make money, so advertising when you need to increase demand for your service does make sense. If it works--great. If not, NJA is still left with more pilots than they need to meet current demand. Who seriously expects to be paid to stay home more than the occasional day? After all, we're in an economic melt-down, not just the normal slow period.

 

[RNObased]

JJ, I think it would be a mistake for junior NJ pilots to plan their future based on your observation. :erm: .

It is mistake to listen to JJ on most days.

 

[hyflyin]

Who seriously expects to be paid to stay home more than the occasional day? .

I do and a housewife who sits around and types on the computer all day under an anonymous name to anonymous people, with really hot boots????

JK

 

[gunfyter]

SouthWest has buy-outs!

Southwest Offers CASH for Pilots to leave!

 

[hyflyin]

JJ, I think it would be a mistake for junior NJ pilots to plan their future based on your observation. :erm: We've all heard that it takes money to make money, so advertising when you need to increase demand for your service does make sense. If it works--great. If not, NJA is still left with more pilots than they need to meet current demand. Who seriously expects to be paid to stay home more than the occasional day? After all, we're in an economic melt-down, not just the normal slow period.

And this......

Getting Paid Not to Work

by Jessica Dickler
Monday, May 4, 2009provided by
Some large law firms are putting their incoming associates on hold until the economy picks up, in return for a stipend of up to $80,000.
As many Americans are struggling to find a job, some are getting paid as much as $80,000 a year not to work.
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A number of third-year law students on the brink of graduation are being asked by their future employers to stay home for now - with pay.
Over 100 large firms, or firms with 200 or more attorneys, have delayed the start date for at least a portion of their incoming first-year associates, according to Above the Law, a blog covering the legal industry. The majority of those firms have delayed start dates into 2010, and provided some financial assistance to those on standby, Above the Law said, a move that doesn't come cheap.
Some students have been offered hefty stipends of up to $80,000, and even full benefits in some cases.
"The firms want to keep these people and don't want to lose them," explained Andy Stettner, deputy director at the National Employment Law Project.
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The normally recession-resistant industry of law has not been immune to the current economic downturn. So far over 10,000 jobs in the sector have been lost this year, according to the Labor Department's most recent data.
In previous years, well-performing summer associates have been extended offers in the early fall to start the following year, once they have completed school.
But in the past several months, some of the nation's largest law firms, including White & Case, Latham & Watkins and Skadden Arps are reaching out to their soon-to-be first years, who received offers last fall, and asking them to defer their start dates for several months, or even up to a year.
Instead of rescinding offers, as some large law firms did during the recession in the early 1990s, "the law firms are anticipating starting the 2009 associates when the economy gets better," according to Kim Fields, director of career services at Wake Forest University School of Law.
A Paid Vacation
For those eager to start their careers, and under the weight of hefty student loan bills, a deferment can be disappointing. The stipend may not be enough to cover the cost of living for a year in some expensive cities like New York or D.C., Fields noted.
Other students are considerably enthusiastic. Adam Rahal, 25, says he is "absolutely thrilled" about the opportunity to defer his start date until the fall of 2010. The Pace University third-year law student was offered $65,000 from Shearman & Sterling in New York to cover his expenses for the year.
"It's an awesome opportunity that they're willing to shell out that kind of money just to keep us happy," Rahal said.
"My friends in investment banking just lost their jobs. We're really lucky."
Over the course of the next year Rahal intends to volunteer at the international criminal tribunal or do environmental litigation instead of starting at Shearman & Sterling, earning $160,000 a year.
With signed contracts, deferrals are mandatory at some firms, while other deferment offers like Rahal's are voluntary. Some have a catch - that incoming associates are required to spend their deferment working at a non-profit or for one of the firm's pro bono clients. Other firms require no public interest work at all.
Overall, many agree that a paid deferment can be a win-win for students like Rahal and the firms that employ them.
"In the larger scope these students are quite lucky, they're going to be paid a perfectly decent salary and they can do what they want," said Rachel Littman, Assistant Dean for Career Development at Pace Law School in New York.
"It does give them an opportunity to do something they might not otherwise do, Fields said, particularly if that's "giving back to the community."

 

[steelersrule74]

Southwest Offers CASH for Pilots to leave!

according to a few posters here, that's a furlough.

 

[gunfyter]

according to a few posters here, that's a furlough.

Did you mean Posers?

 

[netjetwife]

Hyflyin, I was thinking of the average frac pilot and my comment was primarily directed at the NJ pilots-- many posting/reading here are online friends, and some of them I've met in person. My family believes that it's much easier to build unity when you foster a sense of community so we do our part to make that happen. The camaraderie in the NJ pilotgroup, and recognition of the supporting role played by the families has significantly contributed to their success.

Those are great boots and fun to wear, but I probably could use a lighter look for the summer, huh? Maybe they're looking too hot for the season... In the meantime, another photo for a change of pace....

 

[netjetwife]

Did you mean Posers?

There are those too....

 

[hyflyin]

Hyflyin, I was thinking of the average frac pilot and my comment was primarily directed at the NJ pilots-- many posting/reading here are online friends, and some of them I've met in person. My family believes that it's much easier to build unity when you foster a sense of community so we do our part to make that happen. The camaraderie in the NJ pilotgroup, and recognition of the supporting role played by the families has significantly contributed to their success.

Those are great boots and fun to wear, but I probably could use a lighter look for the summer, huh? Maybe they're looking too hot for the season... In the meantime, another photo for a change of pace....

JK= Just Kidding

I was bored, late night looking for a job before July 2 rolls around and I get the "not so sexy" boot (you know, voluntary furlough, I mean, "leave") .

Carry on.

 

[netjetwife]

Hy, I can appreciate that it might feel that way to you, but the "boot" could be much uglier and your landing (if it does happen) much harder. Having health care benefits and money to put a roof over your head is far more than most pilots get.

I think being proactive is a good idea. This is certainly a time to hope for the best while you prepare for the worst. Maybe enough pilots and other employees may request LOAs and reduced scheduling before July. One never knows... Good Luck!